Caucus fails to represent

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  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    May 24, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    @2 bits, believe it or not, I've gone to the Democratic Convention as a delegate and cast votes for the candidates I liked best. Doesn't mean I like the system, though.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 24, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    On the other hand,
    You say, "the caucus system is anything but representative". Question: Is the Democrat system of picking candidates "representative"???

    Think about it... Have you or ANYONE ever got to vote to select who goes to the Democrat Convention to pick their primary candidates? The answer is "no".

    So at least it's better than the Democrat's system.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    May 23, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    The caucus system is anything but representative. Say you have a precinct with 100 attendees which gets to choose two delegates. 51 of the attendees support one set of candidates and positions. 49 support a different set of candidates and positions. In a truly representative system, each faction should get to choose a delgate, but what happens instead is that the majority faction chooses both and the minority is completely disenfranchised.

    The Republican Party seems particularly uneasy with diversity of opinion. Maybe that explains why they continue to promote a system where most people's involvement will be nearly meaningless and only a handful of people will have any real say regarding candidates or official stances.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 23, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    "The caucus system works just fine."

    Right. It gave us Mike Lee.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    I don't know that you can make the case that a primary to pick the Republican Primary Candidates would have much better turn out than the caucusses, or current Republican Primary elections, or that it would be more representative of the population as a whole.

    What turnout percentage do we current get for primary elections? (Democrat and Republican combined)? The DMN must have a number on that. I think last time primary turnout was around 15%.

    Wow... 15-20% for the REAL Primary. And you think we would get BETTER turnout for a PRE-Primary Primary???

    So we are OK with 15% making the decision, but we can't let the representatives picked by a vote of their neighbors to represent them at the convention do it? I don't get that!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 23, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    To "Tara McKee" caucuses don't fail to represent. People fail to participate.

    If you don't go to your local caucus meeting, who's fault is it that the elected officials don't represent your voice?

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Congrats to the GOP delegates, who refused to be blackmailed. The caucus system works just fine.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 23, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    If the caucus system worked out so well then why is our state and national government run by career politicians? Orrin hatch, Howard Stephensen, buttars (before he finally retired), etc. the list goes on and on.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    No matter how much you laud the republic form of government, the logic of the most true and best representation of the people will be the system where the will of the voter is least diluted by the layers of condensed representation.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 23, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    Those delegates we elect to represent us at the nominating convention are expect to vote the will of the people of their precinct. They have no obligation to the candidates. They have no obligation to anyone else at the nominating convention.

    They were elected to do the job requested by the Republicans in their precinct. Those Republicans, who cared enough to attend the caucus meeting, decided who, from their precinct, would best be qualified to represent the mind and will of the members of the precinct.

    Every member of that precinct could run for election. Not everyone from the precinct could be elected. Our precinct elected two county delegates and two State delegates. Those delegates were asked to listen to all members of the precinct, including those who were not in attendance at the caucus. They were asked to listen to the candidates and then to talk to members of the precinct who had concerns about those candidates.

    What more could we ask of those we elect. If they listen to those they represent and listen to the candidates that they will nominate, they are doing the job required of them.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2013 12:49 a.m.

    We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, the wealthy or the famous. This is a good thing, and should be preserved.

    We want neighbors discussing the best candidates and finding ways to improve this state and the nation. What is being proposed would remove us meeting together from the caucus meeting. We would be dropping off votes, but not meeting and discussing candidates and issues. That is what is wrong with Washington, D.C. They don’t listen to each other in a meeting. They watch from their offices. We need to change that, not perpetuate it.

    Approx. one out of every 4 or 5 republicans attended their neighborhood election caucus meeting this last year. Over 120,000 participated. One in every three told a KSL poll they were involved or attending. There are 4000 state delegates and many more county delegates that spend countless hours vetting candidates to be on the ballot. The Democratic party also has thousands involved in the process. They are selected by those that attend the neighborhood election caucus meeting. You just have to attend.