Scouting success will come from devotion to ideals

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  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    Thank you for monitoring the DN. Your name clearly indicates your bias. The Scout's policy on gays meets none of your outrageous negative claims and is not anti Christian or contrary to this nations values. My four Eagle Scout sons encountered none of the attitudes you mentioned, even though there was a gay Scout among them. Perhaps your troop can craft its own policy, but save the faux indignation. Have a great day.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    May 21, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    I disagree with this opinion piece. I feel sick inside when I think of open homosexuality in scouting. When I look back at how things have changed over the last twenty years or so I feel like we are being led carefully down to hell, one gentle step at a time.
    I wish the church would return to the days of clarity regarding morality. It seems to me that after the bruising they took from gay activists over prop 8 they are afraid to speak out and clearly identify what is right and what is wrong. Very sad.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    bandersen, I agree Zeus is also be pleased with your devotion.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    @Area 52 you are referring to pedephiles NOT gay men or women.
    Most molestation is by men who Identify themselves as heterosexual.

    Your a prime example of how religious people can still get along with gay people, If they only understand who they are talking about.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 21, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Contrarius: Fortunately, or unfortunately to some, God does have a monopoly on truth, despite the efforts by some to change that truth.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 21, 2013 2:01 p.m.


    Why would it be okay for gay male leaders to go camping with adolescent boys? It's like saying it's okay for adolescent girls to go camping with straight male leaders. We all know that would not be appropriate! Unless, you have strict rules in place; the BSA is opening up themselves with real problems.

    I do think it's okay for the BSA to let openly gay boys into scouts but definatley not gay men as leaders who oversee and interact with these young boys.

  • Leftcoastrocky Los Angeles, CA
    May 21, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    I am an Eagle Scout and also a recipient of the Scout's God & Country award through my Presbyterian Church in the mid-60's. The Scout's ban on gays is embarrassing, ignorant, mean-spirited and homophobic -- reminds me of the discrimination that young black men endured during the early 60's to become Boy Scouts. It is contrary to Scouting values, American values and Christian values and MUST be overturned.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    their duty to God by making adherence to what is known as a "Declaration of Religious Principle" a key requirement for youth membership.

    "any" sexual conduct by youth of scouting age would be contrary to the virtues of scouting.

    As far as Christian only, the scouts recognize the following religious awards
    Unity of Mankind Bahai
    Sangha Buddhist
    Buddhist Hindu
    In the Name of God Islam
    Ner Tamid Jewish

    Many religions adhering to a "Declaration of Religious Principle"

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 21, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Re: Area 52

    To my knowledge, none. MapleDon, however, seems to know better than you or I.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    I had gay scouts in my troop growing up. That wasn't a big issue to me. The only issue I had is they didn't want to go camping, hiking, boating, shooting etc. The only interest they had was to shop at Nordstrom or shopping in general. Which is fine. However, when 10 of the boys want to go camping and 2 of the boys throw a fit about it. It becomes a bit much.

    Not saying all gay people will act this way, but, that was the experience I had with gay scouts.

    So, if they do make it open to gay scouts, they need to understand what they are getting into and if they are willing to go in the hikes, bike riding, camping, shooting, boating etc then that is fine with me. If they're going to sit there and criticize the leaders and belittle anyone that doesn't shop the finest stores, then they probably need to find a different organization that better meets those needs.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    May 21, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    @MapleDon --

    "Can boys from polygamous families participate in the BSA program? Anyone have an answer?"

    Why wouldn't they?

    @banderson --

    "'Religious' is a very vague term nowadays. However, the measure of any follower of Christ will be in acknowledging His laws, his way, and striving to live by it."

    Fortunately, your interpretation of "His laws" doesn't get to win just because you say it should.

    Many religious people support gay rights. And many gay people are religious. A fair number of gay people are pastors of their churches, or serve their churches in other capacities. You don't have a monopoly on religious belief.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:04 p.m.


    Who are the leaders in the LDS Church that are promoting immoraltity?

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 21, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Re: MapleDon

    The answer to your question is an obvious yes. I don't know what relevance the question possibly has to the article, but there is your answer, just the same.

    The 20-30% of leaders you claim are promoting immorality include the leaders of the LDS Church. Please be sure to abandon your anonymity and express your opinion to your bishop this Sunday.

    I have no idea what sexuality has to do with Scouting. In 20+ years with the organization, not once has sexual orientation been discussed, brought up, or had a passing mention in any activity or meeting. The kids don't care about it. Why are the adults obsessed with discussing what one does in the privacy of their own bedroom?

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 21, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic

    I am also an Eagle Scout and would totally disagree with that assumption on not being about "Christian Living". As you dig deeper into Scouting it's all about Christian Living and improving our faith in Christ. But individuals still have a choice if they want to accept/follow Christian Living. Regardless of Christian principles in Scouting, people will still benefit from what they learn during these years. Your a prime example of how non-religious people can still get along with religious people, Imagine that concept.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Scouting is not about religion or "Christian Living" and originally was about preparing young men to go to war.

    Scouting has succeeded because it's fun for most young men to go on adventures and learn survival skills like mountain men and Native Americans or other hobbies opened up with Merit badge achievement.

    Being an Eagle Scout I can tell you the worst/boring part was the religious influence and not being able to camp over a whole weekend because religious folks wanted us back in Church on Sunday instead of a place where God resides in peace.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    I'm grateful 70% to 80% of the local leaders are still willing to stand firm on the standards established early on by the BSA. Others clearly buckle under the constant pressure exerted by the LGBT crowd. Either we stand for morality, or we don't. And to say the Scouting program can have feet in both camps is nonsense and the program becomes somewhat pointless (the term "morally straight" would now be offensive).

    And this brings up another point...

    Can boys from polygamous families participate in the BSA program? Anyone have an answer?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    'Religious' is a very vague term nowadays. However, the measure of any follower of Christ will be in acknowledging His laws, his way, and striving to live by it. According to some, the definition of 'religious' would be anybody who says 'hello' with a smile while stripping Jesus of the 'weightier' matters of Christian living.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    "Declaration of Religious Principle"

    Strange how straight people think gay people can't be religious.

    Ideally, children shouldn't engage in sexual conduct anyway.