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  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 23, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    Unreconstructed Reb

    You don't get away with bringing up another Presidents scandle, and then try to hide your guys scandle behind someone doing worse. Why? Because we don't yet know where Obamas scandles are going to end up. We do know that people have died in Benghazi. Question to be answered. Why did Obama or Hillary send Stephens to Benghazi in the first place? Hasn't been answered yet. This could end up bigger than Iran/Contra. There are so many unanswered questions with these 3 scandles, (and I'd bet more to come) that Obama could end up looking worse than Clinton, Reagan, Nixon combined. Maybe not, but those stories are over, Obamas are just beginning. So don't assume there is no further scandle to be uncovered. Until this is put to bed, a lot could happen, especially with officials now taking the 5th. Red flags all around with that.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 23, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    To "Unreconstructed Reb" Obama has not fired anybody. The person that resigned was planning on doing so last year.

    You are excusing Obama by saying that Reagan did worse things.

    Tell us, why is the Iran-Contra scandal worse than the scandals that have gone directly against the US constitution and security of the US?

    If I remember things correctly, Reagan still had to answer for what happened. Will Obama answer for anything that has happened on his watch?

    Tell us, why gun running under Reagan was so bad, yet the gun running to Mexico under Obama is not as bad? The guns that Obama allowed into the hands of Mexican drug cartels have been used for murders in Mexico and have been used against US agents.

    Your partisan ship or blinders are evident by the fact that you don't think that there is so much corruption and illegal activities going on under Obama.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 23, 2013 3:55 a.m.


    No, I am not using a 'tu quoque' defense to excuse the Obama administration. I'm simply pointing out that 1) Reagan remains a conservative icon yet Iran-Contra is arguably a far dirtier scandal than anything that's been proven about Obama (that Oliver North has also become a conservative darling and even tried running for office is even more atrocious); and 2) after the consistent tarring of Obama as the most venal and corrupt president ever by For News, Limbaugh, Beck, and the commenters here on a daily basis, I think that the Right could use a memory check for what a real scandal by out of control underlings looks like. The buck stops here indeed, Mr. Reagan.

    Again, I welcome inquiry into the matters so that we can establish facts instead of leaping to conclusions based on what party we're registered for and what our source of news happens to be.

    4th comment, so I'm out....

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 22, 2013 8:21 p.m.

    Unreconstructed Reb:
    While I can see where you're coming from your making an argument that carries little meaning to the present issues facing Obama. Bringing up the Iran contra affair is just the "you did it so we should be able to do it" mentality. Two wrongs don't make a right. Iran contra was indeed wrong, but that doesn't excuse the president or his administration from the current issues he's facing.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 22, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    m.g. scott,

    If you read carefully, you'll note that most of us are bringing up Iran-Contra and Watergate and specifically noting that there's no evidence at this point that any of Obama's clear missteps are on par with those events, and many conservatives asserting otherwise have forgotten the gravity of those scandals by drawing the comparison.

    Party has nothing to do with it. I thought the Clinton scandal was an embarrassment, and supported Bush when he was getting raked over the coals by the 9/11 Commission.

    I, for one, welcome investigations into the recent string of scandals in the hopes that they can shed actual light on what has happened, as opposed to accusations coming from the Right Wing's default assumption that Obama's every action is motivated by the darkest of purposes.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    I see that at least some of you Obama supporters are comparing Iran/Contra/ Watergate type scandle with what is currently going on. You're on the right track. Just don't put your head in the sand like the Real Maverick and others do and pretend there is nothing here. Let Obama try to sell us that there is "no there there". In the meantime go ahead, bring up all the past Republican scandle you want. It happened and Congress dealt with it like they should have. Now Congress has to deal with the scandle of the current President. What's wrong with that? Other than his Party affiliation of course. If he were Republican, you guys would be waving pom poms.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 22, 2013 12:21 p.m.


    1) I'm saying that at least Obama is trying to address the issue, firing the head of the IRS as an example, as opposed to refusing to answer questions about it like Reagan did for 3 months. He's attempting to be as proactive as he can. The effectiveness of his efforts I leave to the partisan opinion of the reader.

    2) To my knowledge, none of the executive branches you're listing have done anything as remotely "rogue" as selling weapons to Iranians and giving the money to Nicaraguan death squads. This is the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL out of control during the COLD WAR when the nukes are ready to blow the world 10x over! Destroying documents, breaking the law, arming terrorists, and doing all of it without the knowledge of the C-in-C while obstructing Congress! (Alternatively, depending on who you ask, Reagan's either a liar who had North fall on his sword or beginning his slide into senility - neither of those is particularly defensible either.).

    3) Can you defend Iran-Contra? If you are going to try to defend Reagan, you have no business whipping yourself into a lather over anything Obama's done.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 22, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    To "Unreconstructed Reb" are you talking about the same Obama who wants to "Lead from behind". How can somebody who doesn't lead be out there in front of the crises? He claims to not have known about the problems until the news was one. Plus, since he is apologizing for what was done, that indicates that he is behind on the crises.

    How many "teams" has Obama lost control of? So far we have the State Department getting out from under him, the Treasury Department, the Attorney General, and Homeland Security. Doesn't it bother you that Obama can't control nearly 25% of his cabinet? This raises the question, how many other parts of the executive branch are out of control?

    If Reagan was so bad for losing control of his national security team, what does that say about Obama who loses control of national security, law enforcement, treasury, and foreign affairs?

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 22, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    The executive branch has an accountability issue. But Repubs trying to blow this up into the mother of all scandals have a short memory.

    For just one example, let's look at the Godfather of modern conservatism, Ronald Reagan. His administration was caught selling anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to anti-American Iranian thugs holding Americans hostage, and using the profits to fund right-wing guerilla thugs in a Central American civil war in explicit violation of an act of Congress. The affair violated domestic and international laws left and right.

    Unlike Obama, who has at least tried to get out in front of his crises, Reagan was absolutely silent on Iran-Contra for 3 months. Then he admitted that his administration had lied in previous statements, and he assumed accountability for acts committed without his knowledge. The investigating commission concluded that Reagan had no knowledge of the scandal, but that he'd lost control of his national security team.

    To this day, conservatives hail Oliver North, the main culprit, as an American hero. This man shredded national security documents, committed perjury, and obstructed a Congressional investigation. Don't get on your high horses about accountability.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    The funny thing is the revisionist history repubs have of the White House and IRS. They ask, "who is running the IRS? Why wasn't Obama in the know? Why isn't he congntrollig the IRS?"

    They forget, emnity was placed between the White House and the IRS after repub president, Richard Nixon, abused his powers and controlled the IRS to attack his opponents.

    Obama didnt know what the IRS was doing because he shouldn't. Otherwise, repubs would be crying that he was using it for political advantage.

    Funny, how repubs claim that he is using the IRS yet "forget" the emnity placed because of an actually impeached repub president. It's ironic that they cry for obama's impeachment now.... Well... Since he was elected in 08.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    Mr. Obama has plausible ignorance of the scandals in Benghazi, phone tapping the AP/James Rosen of Fox and targeting by the IRS. However if that is true, just who is running the White House and making important decisions, Valery Jarrett, Michelle Obama, Jay Carney perhaps? The president reminds us that he won the election which implies that he is in control of White House policy. I didn't know until I read it in the newspaper, I have no knowledge of that, Bush is to blame, the Republicans stopped me, it was the tsunami, the Arab Spring is the cause, sequestration caused it, there's no there there, ad nauseum.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    "The Buck Stops Here" is extremely lazy and shuns personal responsibility. Republicans point fingers of blame at President Obama even though facts show that questionable decisions being made much further down the chain of command. The Republicans aren't interested in personal responsibility; they aren't interested in correcting the problem where the problem occured. Their only interest is to keep "the base" excited and upset in the hopes of making political gain.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 21, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    Truman was vilified from day one by the Right Wing, which blocked him on virtually everything he tried to do. With Truman we would already have single-payer health insurance instead of te mess we have today. Medicare would've come 20 years earlier. When he fired crazy MacArthur, who wanted to pour radiation on China, the calls for impeachment were loud and long.GOP loved the phrase "To err is Truman." It's refreshing now to hear RightWingers pay tribute to Truman, a real hero in my book.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 21, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Obama doesn't now the meaning of responsibility. Ask Hilary Clinton. Ask Susan Rice. Ask Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. Ask Brian Terry. For that matter, ask Reverend Wright.

    Ask anyone who had the misfortune to be in Obama's way when he was climbing over them to get to safety.

    The cry used to be "Protect the women and the children". Obama has changed all that. What does he care for the women who worked in his administration and America's sons and daughters who serve in the military? What does he care about the rights of the citizens to not be targets of the I.R.S.? What does he care about the press and its guaranteed freedom from his interference?

    Truman understood his duty and he did it. Obama doesn't have a clue - and America is paying the price.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    To "The Real Maverick" you and your liberal apologists make me laugh. Do you read what has gone on with all of the scandals surrounding Obama? He has yet to even touch one of the scandals. Benghazi, he was caught lying, yet insists that he wasn't. He never knew anything about the AP wire taps, Fast and Furious, or the IRS.

    If he is going to hold people accountable, why isn't he pushing more investigations on Hilary and how she dropped the ball on Benghazi? Why isn't he flogging the Treasury Secretary for not knowing anything about the IRS?

    Obama has shown that he lives in a "Blame Free Zone" and will never take responsibility.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 21, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    In other words, according to the everyday cadre of DN leftists posters, Bush who didn't do anything illegal, let alone half of what he is accused of = BAD, and obama is overseeing an administration that is rotten with illegal activities = good! At the very least, they get a pass!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 21, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    The Real Maverick
    Orem, UT


    Sorry Mav,

    I shot my post before reading what was already posted.

    But it's good to see we're on the same page...

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 21, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    'The buck stops here’


    Which is precisely why we blame GW Bush for;
    5,000 dead American soldiers,
    75,000 wounded,
    $2 Trlllion of unfunded debt,
    the complete wipe out of America's Middle Class,
    WallStreet and Bank Bail-outs,
    the Great Recession,
    and the Patriot Act.

    And I agree, Pres. Obama is making his own list of failures,
    but at least Benghazi did not cost me my entire life's savings,
    my children's college education funding,
    and my future retirement in 10-15 years.

  • booshway Woods Cross, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Of course Truman's motto of "The Buck Stops Here" refers to his responsibility. For Obama the motto reads "The Buck Stops With Bush", meaning it is all Bush's fault.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    As maverick pointed out, the buck is stopping. Fortunately, our administration isn't letting a teacup bound tempest hold it hostage.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    And it has. Obama got rid of the head of the IRS. Bengazhi is nothing more than a make believe witch hunt. Nothing to investigate there. we were attacked. attacks happen in the ME. And the AP thing is under investigation.

    Now how about conservatives hold their folks accountable for Iran Contra, tax cuts for the rich which merely exploded the deficit and didnt create jobs, 2 failed nation building projects which have killed thousands and cost over $2 trillion, lies about WMDs, patriot act, Medicare part D, releasing the name of a CIA agent (we all know scooter Libby to the fall for dick Cheney), the worst attack on america soil since pearl harbor, and the worst economic crash since the Great Depression.

    When will these folks be held accountable? The buck stopped on Reagan's and Bush's desk too, right?

    Instead of Bush dedicating libraries he should be on trial answering questions about his own presidency. If he had been held to the same standard you folks are trying to hold Obama to, he would have been impeached right after 9/11.

    Lets stop with the lame attacks, and focus on our country, PLEASE.