Big screen exploitation of women should concern the culture as a whole

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  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    @ John Charity Spring

    Why so serious?

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    to airnaut on 5/20

    Well, 53% of people do.

  • prvni San Jose, CA
    May 20, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    This article seems over exaggerated. Think about, only 28% speaking parts where female? Probably depends on the type of movie you are seeing. And does that really matter? Doesn't being a character in a movie turn you into an object since actor portray fictional character and not real one most of the time? Does it really seem reasonable to say that movies are what cause women to not choose certain careers or the cause of child pornography? Movies are over the top and fictional that's why we like them. Most of the bad guys in movies are men, I guess we found the reason why the majority of crime is done by men. Now C'mon, does that sound reasonable?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 20, 2013 12:44 p.m.


    You vote with your wallet.

  • custer Boise, ID
    May 20, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    No one forces women to take-off their clothes in movies, or to dress like trollops and become sex-objects. Don't women deserve some of the blame themselves?

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    May 20, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Ah yes, we need more examples in film of women finding a husband before they are 20,staying home raising the children, handling all of the domestic chores of the house hold, supporting their husbands every need in and out the house, and generally being subservient to men. Yes that's what this country needs, that'll fix every thing.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    Re: ". . . we have been stuck in the mire of arbitrary, flawed definitions promoted by churches and religions far too long."

    Spoken like a true liberal "progressive."

    Ring in the "new." Throw out the "old." No one who lived before me knows a thing. All wisdom is foolishness. What I say is good, is. Evil is good, good is evil.

    It's just sad to see otherwise competent individuals delude themselves with such obvious sophistry.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    May 19, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    Besides all of the above the movies from the 1930's on depicted beautiful and handsome men smoking and drinking in too many scenes. This resulted in the deaths of millions of Americans and of other countries to cardiovascular disease, heart attacks and strokes and a large number of women saw that it was ok and even advised to drink and smoke. Many prominent actors such as Tyrone Power, Errol Flynn, etc. died before 50. Sly Stallone admitted to receiving $500,000 to smoke in 4 or 5 movies. My daughters wouldn't be caught dead in the dressware of the movies for women.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    Brian Utley, I think you confused your position. Do you want to restate that?

  • Wingnut1 USA, UT
    May 19, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    Brian Utley,
    Although some "Mormons" maybe believe that, the LDS church does not believe that in any form. Any form of immodesty should be avoided like the plague according to our prophets. The actions of one individual does not affect the divinity of the institution. Trust me, the LDS church is completely against any immodesty in any form.

  • Brian Utley Freedom, IN
    May 19, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    It's articles like this that don't adequately present the flip side that upset me most. Many of your readers are outraged at the narrow definitions of moral appropriateness and acceptability that you shamelessly promote---in the name of religion and decency. Arbitrary gender bias is wrong, certainly; but we have been stuck in the mire of arbitrary, flawed definitions promoted by churches and religions far too long. The values you sponsor are fine for you, if that is what you think you want, but are revolting to others like myself. For instance, many religious people, and many Mormons, for that matter, believe that there is nothing inherently wrong in showing "skin" and that prohibitions against nudity are provincial and Victorian...and flat out wrong. And we believe that the world would be better off if we were done with them---IMHO.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    May 19, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    There are more complex forces here than just blaming Hollywood liberals. You have traditional morality joining together with feminism to stand against artistic expression, chauvinism, capitalist profit-seeking, and good old-fashioned human lust. Something has to give.

    Unfortunately my money's on the latter.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 19, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    My wife and I rarely go to the movies anymore. We enjoy good movies, but we don't enjoy the trash that some consider to be "good movies" because they make a profit.

    Recently we saw "42". That was an excellent movie. We were totally shocked at the abuse that Jackie Robinson had to endure, the names that he was called. The scene where the boy was confused about what he should do before he followed the example of his father and joined in with the verbal abuse is exactly what is happening today.

    We were appalled that anything so base and mean could have been part of the American culture. Someday, hopefully, a movie will be made where the viewers will be just as shocked to see how women were used as sex objects and portrayed as sex objects; where women were mocked unless they looked a certain way and acted a certain way; where women were called all kinds of names openly by men who had lost all decency.

    Just as the boy learned from his father how to verbally abuse Jackie Robinson, today children are learning from adults how to disrespect womanhood.

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    May 19, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    I guess we can forget about all that Bra Burning crap of the 70's...Men get a life and grow up!

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    May 19, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Then don't go to the movies. What outrages me more is the exceedingly narrow range of human behavior depicted in big budget Hollywood movies. When every movie has to be bigger, louder, more violent and sexier, then we have the option of voting with our wallets. But big blockbuster action films get made because they've profitable. Look in the mirror. And go see something smaller and more human.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    May 19, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    To those who pooh pooh this article, I simply refer you to the book, "The Naked Communist," which was written in the 50's. In it, W. Cleon Skousen wrote about the communist agenda and he listed 45 goals they want to achieve. Here are some of them:

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    You might not think this isn't on topic, but making out women to be something to be used as an object is all part and parcel to breaking down our society. The attack on women is central to tearing apart our country. Hollywood is nothing more than part of Gadianton's Band.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    May 19, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    We can go back to when "Psycho" was created, and how it was the movie that pushed the boundaries of skin, violence, and psychotic behaviors which are pretty much the theme of any movie today.
    The only strongly fierce woman/mother roll of late was Sandra Bullock's portrayal in "Blind Side". I still love that movie!! We need more fierceness like that from a woman's standpoint.

  • Oldy Glocks Orem, UT
    May 19, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    What a waste of space in what used to be a NEWSPAPER. Big screen exploitation of women should concern the culture as a whole’, is a total focus on the non-issues of the day.
    I do not recall the last time I sat in a movie theater and paid to be assaulted with racket which drowns out the voice track while numbing the brain functions to make intelligent thought a non function.
    We are indeed rushing down the path of Rome with so many stories about sports heroes clogging the media from all levels. False idols abound in the lives of most and the result is our nation has deteriorated to a point of immanent collapse with few even caring. They may as well be in pens with Pavlov's dogs.
    Deseret News proclaims that we should be focused on female treatment and forget that Rome is now on fire.
    Enjoy the crash you helped create by focusing on self inflicted treatments of women brought on by the silliness of idol worship.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 19, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Re: ". . . it's a bit much to expect all of us to go through life in a rage about it."

    Yeah, liberal rage is reserved for conservatives truthfully outing liberal complicity in the destruction of our society and freedoms.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    "Movie stars, in their screen personae, were role models. They taught us how to be brave, suave, adult."

    I agree with the point of the article but you can't be a good role model as a character when the entire world knows you act trashy in your personal life. Back then, they weren't exactly role models. There were limits being pushed every day and people still bought tickets instead of making a stand for what they believed. And now the consequences are that their children believe whatever Hollywood says they should. Things were not peachy back then. Back then created a lot of what we have now.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    I totally agree with this article! Thanks for taking a stand. I am with you. So are millions of others.

    We need all the help we can to influence our youth to maintain a high moral standard.

    Hollywood does not represent us very well. Deviant film makers keep pushing boundaries so they can try to make a name for themselves since they clearly can't do it with interesting plots and acting. Cheap thrills is where they think it is at.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    It may not be popular but I wonder what the change has been in movies in depicting the role of mothers. I am not opposed to seeing successful women in any career but that would have to include the vital role of motherhood as a career choice. I also would like to see motherhood as a main role for measuring success rather than an add on to some "meaningful" career. Women today seem to be getting the message that motherhood is not meaningful in and of it's self. The world's future and certainly our countries future will depend on importance we place on encouraging successful motherhood. (Lest anyone gets offended, fatherhood-fulfilling the role of fathers and not just the creation of children, is not exempt from being absolutely vital) I would bet the positive role of mothers in film has declined to record a record low also if anyone cared to check.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    This is one of the most correct opinion pieces to ever appear in this paper. Yhe writer should be commended for having the courage to point out just how morally bankrupt modern Hollywood has become.

    During its golden age, Hollywood produced movies that were uplifting to society. Indeed, the movies portrayed women with respect, and encouraged men to treat women with kindness and honor. The movies promoted the values that made America great, such as moderation, piety, and chastity.

    Today, the now liberal-leaning Hollywood has an open and stated agenda of promoting unrestrained and wanton sexuality. As part of this quest, women are portrayed as mere unthinking toys, who are vauable only according to the pleasure they provide to others. In fact, deviant sexuality on the part of women is depicted as not only being acceptable, but as being desirable.

    Unfortunately, millions of impressionable young women are imitating the activities they see depicted in modern movies. Is iit any wonder that the rates of substance abuse and suicide are at all time highs for young women? Hollywood deserves swift and sever condemnation for this horrendous damage to the lives of America's women.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Why is it that every issue these days must create outrage? While I don't disagree with the basic premise presented, it's a bit much to expect all of us to go through life in a rage about it. There's a lot of things in life that are wrong or unfair. Life's too short to experience rage about all of them. I just don't go to movies anymore.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    May 19, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Why is it that when a sinking ship is going down, it's the women and children first to be rescued. The continuance of life is the first priority. That seems to of been lost when the women lib in the 60's and got worse for the women, before when that ever began.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    May 19, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Contemporary media is messed up. Women's value is only as being physically attractive to men. This is not a liberal value. This is so far right wing that those we consider to be conservative are appalled. Not because it is too liberal but because it is too right wing.

    60's feminism has failed women. In the traditional stereotype it was OK for men to sleep around but women needed to remain chaste. That is wrong but that is where 60's feminism has failed. The politically dogmatic view says that the stereotype is wrong because it is OK for women to be a boorish as men. A progressive/liberal view would say that the stereotype is wrong because men need to be chaste. That way the two genders treat each other with respect rather than as sexual conquests.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    May 19, 2013 5:25 a.m.

    The moral decays evidences in the Colosseum of Rome are being "played out" today in the excesses of the TV/Movies/Internet. We pretend that they don't really hurt anyone because most of us can watch the trash and separate reality from fiction (or we pretend that we can but perhaps fail in little ways). But there are those who can't, who learn and adopt the terrible messages sent to young women and young men and even older men and older women. It's sad and we should (myself included) be more aware of what messages we are supporting with our viewing (either by paying for the show or supporting the show and allowing the commercials to pay for it).