@Mountanman – “According to the Heritage Foundation…”The only thing that would have made this funnier is if it was followed
by saying, “and in science news, according to Sarah Palin…”Thanks for the morning humor…
"Look, someone has to die. There's not enough money in the entire world
to furnish all the healthcare that everyone needs. So, someone has to go
without... and die."Then why not you, wrz? Because you are lucky
enough to have insurance? Because you are lucky enough to live in a country that
gives you opportunity? That provides safety nets? No. You should
recieve healthcare because you are human. Simple as that. I dont
know if there is enough money in the "entire world" to provide
healthcare to all, but I do know, without any doubt at all, that there are
enough resources to be able to do it. No question about it.
@one old man:"An excellent -- and unfortunately true --
letter."Look, someone has to die. There's not enough money
in the entire world to furnish all the healthcare that everyone needs. So,
someone has to go without... and die.Right now, before Obamacare,
those that 'die' are the poor who can't afford either to pay
outright for their healthcare or buy insurance to cover. So, they go without in
large measure. When Obamacare kicks in fully, the so-called 'death
panels' will decide who will get coverage and who won't. And those
who won't are the elderly who need, say a heart transplant, or a hip or
knee replacement. Obama has already told them what they should do...'go
home and take a pain pill.'
"You'd better pray that our two party system is kept alive and
well."With the modern Republicans as one of those parties? No. I
pray that they lose election after election.
wrzPhoenix, AZ@Open Minded Mormon:"and THAT - my
friends- is why the GOP will NEVER again win anymore elections."Which will result in a single party system rule... which is a modified version
of autocracy.You'd better pray that our two party system is
kept alive and well.9:12 p.m. May 18, 2013============ I pray DAILY that we have more than a 2 party system.But, that
would mean the GOP needs to do something different, Offer real solutions,
Stop being a train wreck of roadblocks, Stop being the Party of NO,
and actually propose solutions.Repeating "We hate Obama, women,
Hispanics, young people, old people, sick people, poor people, Gay people,
ect." just isn't accomplishing anything for the GOP party or
America.FYI - I'm not a Democrat, and I left the GOP over 30
"Pragmatist. That's wonderful news if it were only true! "It's true. You don't follow current events do you, Mountanman?
@Open Minded Mormon:"and THAT - my friends- is why the GOP will NEVER
again win anymore elections."Which will result in a single party
system rule... which is a modified version of autocracy.You'd
better pray that our two party system is kept alive and well.
The conservative fantasy world is working overtime today.
Hopefully it would be replaced by a medical delivery system that is both
universal and sustainable. The ACA is neither. It is a death panel for the US
Pragmatist. That's wonderful news if it were only true! Now we can pay off
the national debt instead of it hitting $20 trillion by the time Obama leaves
Now they can shut down the tea party. Can you believe 37 ineffective losing acts
MM, "the thrust of a new report released Tuesday by the nonpartisan
Congressional Budget Office, estimating that the deficit for this fiscal year,
which ends on Sept. 30, will fall to about $642 billion, or 4 percent of the
nation’s annual economic output, about $200 billion lower than the agency
estimated just three months ago. " New York Times..same headline on Fox News
blog. In addition it was reported that health care spending had slowed
significantly. Projections were revised from 8.1 trillion on Medicare and 4.4
trillion on Medicaid to 7.9 trillion and 4.3 trillionI don't
know what you were reading but here's the facts. 642billion compared to
Bush's 1.3 trillion for 2009 and Obamas 1.4trillion for 2010. Plus the
slowdown in healthcare spending.
I remember when I could go to the doctor, pay my own bill, buy my own
medication. Do the same for my children. The only insurance we carried was
that needed to pay for hospitalization. It wasn't until the
government got into messing with the medical care system that it became
unaffordable and corrupted."Any man who thinks he can be happy and
prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a
closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
@higvDietrich, IDEveryone dies that was born anyway and
government run healthcare saves zero lives.6:37 a.m. May 18, 2013========== ...and If they're going to die anyway, then they
had better do it quickly so as to decrease the surplus population! Good night,
gentlemen. ...and THAT - my friends- is why the GOP will
NEVER again win anymore elections.
Maverick, You say the deficit is down already. I know some say it is down and
some say it is increasing rapidly, depending on whom you listen to. According to
CBS News, "The national debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of
the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama
took office". So, please explain how our deficits are going down when our
debt continues to increase ever more rapidly. I know there is a difference
between deficits and debt but please explain how our deficits can go down and
our borrowing continues to escalate! If our deficits were really decreasing so
would our need to borrow ever more money! Its easy to claim the deficits are
going down but the borrowing money facts indicate otherwise.
Actually, the 'we're all gonna die anyway' comment seems oddly
revelatory of a current conservative mindset. They've become the party of
Eeyore. "We're all gonna die, so why provide health care?"
"Nobody will obey gun laws, so why pass 'em?" "Government
can't do anything anyway, so why bother funding it." It's sort of
Republican Health Care Plan: "Everybody who is born dies anyway.Why try to
@Lew JeppsonYou started from a false premise. Obamacare is not
necessary to the survival of Medicare. In fact, it weakens Medicare.False premises result in false conclusions. Garbage in, garbage out.
@ mmThe deficit is down already. Please do a lil fact check. Thank
"Everyone dies that was born anyway"so why should we have
social services? Why should we have clean water? Why have a military? Why have
laws against drunk driving? Heck, why even have laws? We are all going to die
anyway, right? What a worthless argument you attempted."The writer must not have read the act through. I say to the Congress
GREAT!"Which is why your party is headed to the cemetery. You
folks play party politics on our dime. On one hand you act concerned about the
debt and then pull off costly and wasteful stunts which merely "send
messages." You aren't winning. Your party is just as unpopular as
before."According to the Heritage Foundation,"Stop right there. Anyone who needs to cite the Heritage Foundation to prove a
point has already lost. They might be the only conservative think tank which
still actually calls Paul's budget plan a plan. Filled with bad math,
fantasy numbers, and outrageous expectations. He might as well have written that
the USA will have negative unemployment snd everyone will be a billionaire
through his plan!Everyone else knows it is a joke... Except the
source which you cited.
@ Pragmatist, Yes I read the CBO report but you need to go back and read it
again. It said the projected deficit will be down in 2023, not today and that
if, and only if, the government sticks to its budget and when did that happened
Heritage Foundation? Did someone quote the Heritage Foundation? All other
Conservative think tanks have discredited their numbers and the person that gave
them their quoted forecasts has been forced out. Keep up will you?
So Mountanman Medicare needs to be reduced because it is too expensive and will
break the country. Obama reduces the long term cost of medicare by 750billion
with yes some regulations, and yes with some payment savings (mostly drug
companies), and yes with some administrative changes and somehow this has become
a bad thing. It wasn't a transfer. It was a savings available in
accounting ledgers for other health care costs. If you were to reduce medicare
costs by 750 billion would you 1)just reduce benefits, or 2)wave a magic wand?
Everything else you could do would fall in one of the categories of regulations,
payment outlays, or administrative changes. You must not of read
the latest CBO report this week on the deficit. It's down 200billion from
what was projected, which was down over 200billion from last year. Obama has
cut the annual deficit in half since '09 and one of the main reasons
according to the CBO..Obamacare. So much for raising deficits
@higv "and government run healthcare saves zero lives."
Wrong! My wife is alive today because of a Govt. run health-care program. THe
system gave us 8 yrs. and counting, and yes her disease will probably ultimately
end her life but we are still holding our ground! I am certain I am not the
only one with a story like ours, I suspect there are thousands. So higv I
present these facts as proof Govt run health-care does save lives. I will be
watching for your proof that they do not!
According to the Heritage Foundation, "Obamacare makes massive changes to
the program (Medicare). Obamacare contains more than 160 provisions for Medicare
that increase government’s control over the delivery of care, hit doctors
with unsustainable payment cuts, and leave taxpayers with higher deficits."
Add to that the fact that Obama transferred $750 billion from Medicare to help
pay for Obamacare. Please don't try to tell us Obamacare will save
Medicare, because clearly, it will not!
If you listen to republicans, "we just can't afford to take care of
everybody who is sick." If everybody can see a doctor the cost will go up
they say. Well, the "religious right" apparently has no
faith that doing the right thing would bless the nation.
An excellent -- and unfortunately true -- letter.
The writer must not have read the act through. I say to the Congress GREAT! I
know that the Senate won't follow suit, and even if they did, Obama would
veto the bill. I am using Medicare as my primary coverage and I can, according
to the act, look forward to reduced services as well as tax increases.
Is it necessary to be morbid to get a point across? Name one person that died
because the government didn't provide healthcare? Everyone dies that was
born anyway and government run healthcare saves zero lives.
House Republicans only voted on this wasted legislation so that their members
can go back to their districts in 2014 and say that they voted against
Obamacare. It doesn't make any difference in the long run. It is law and
will not be repealed. Probably never once it goes into effect.The
question everyone should ask is: "How much taxpayer money was spent so that
Republicans could waste the American people's time on a useless
gesture?" If you figure the salaries of all the members of the House and
their staffs and the use of the building (utilities), security, printing costs,
and all other assorted costs, it's sure that it is a significant sum. And,
considering this has been done over 37 times, the cost to the taxpayers is
better applied elsewhere.Why complain about such wasteful spending
when this type of spending goes unchallenged? Perhaps Republicans think that
giving the opportunity to each and every new Republican legislator after each
election cycle builds morale within the ranks, but I'd rather have a tax
cut than waste my hard earned dollars on a symbolic gesture, particularly when
it's been done so many time before.