House chairman sees IRS targeting as part of pattern of intimidation, cover-ups

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  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    The way the ex-commissioner spoke about their process appears that he doesn't believe anything is wrong, especially after 18 months of not informing people when HE was asked multiple times about their process in 8 hearings about their processes. The ex-commissioner was only commissioner 8 months but he was specifically over that unit.

    There is something rotten in Denmark and it isn't cheese nor old meat.

    There is a morale and moral issue with this information coming out after the incumbents election impacting on the election one way or another.

    Benghazi was an impact in debates and on the election, no matter how you cut it. Congress is not doing it's part to hold the President's feet to the fire. The President keeps on hunting for Lieutenant Calley to blame even though there are plenty of Captain Medinas up the chain of command in all these agencies. Panetta, Hillary and Petraeus are all gone to other places.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    May 17, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    What kind of organization is structured like this where we're supposed to believe that the leader is constantly kept in the dark? It seems the primary focus for Obama, Holder and others is plausible deniability, to the point where we're expected to believe that they're completely out of the loop from anything taking place in the administration.

    I can't imagine this happening in the private sector, a company President would never tolerate being kept in the dark and first hearing about this scandal and that in the press. A real leader would get to the bottom of it and fire the responsible employees, and implement new policies to ensure that this lack of communication would never happen again.

    Yet with this administration we're seeing this same pattern repeat itself over and over: Fast and Furious, DHS releasing criminal illegals, Benghazi, IRS, AP wiretap, EPA using fake emails, etc ... Does Obama frequently cover his ears and run out of cabinet meetings to avoid learning about scandals?

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 17, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    One of the biggest concerns is that the woman who oversaw this phase of IRS abuse, has now been put in charge of the IRS division overseeing Obamacare.

    Funny how some Democrats like David Axelrod are saying that Obama can't be responsible for stuff like this because the government is just too big to manage. However those same Democrats are all for more spending and bigger government. Do we have a disconnect of logic going on here?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 17, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    I really have to laugh at the way Republicans are investigating these issues and the way Democrats are complacent.

    Asking the people that may be guilty is really stupid, what their going to say yes I was part of operating a illegal action.

    To get to the truth you start with the agents conducting the audits and evaluations, and you ask did your superior give you the instructions, then you follow the problem up the ladder of organization asking where the direction came from. You dispose people under oath and you hold them accountable for what they say.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 17, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    The IRS began unfairly targeting and delaying conservative groups applying for tax exempt status in March 2010. It is difficult to believe this wasn't a strategic decision by the White House in coordination with the IRS as the election season would be getting underway.

    But if the White House didn't know about it, then this reveals a leadership failure and dysfunction. Americans should expect more from their government, and more from their president. Some may refer back to past presidents. In my mind we can't justify failure and dysfunction just because other administrations likewise struggled. Rather than rationalize failure, shouldn't we learn from the past and be better than that?

    Obama certainly thinks of himself as one of the great American presidents. Shouldn't he be acting as governing as a great leader. Instead we have dysfunction, failure, mismanagement, waste, fraud, cover-ups, corruption, a lack of transparency, redistribution, record debt levels,....

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    Say No to BO
    "Seriously, you can't see a disconnect between the White House and the departments they are supposed to manage?"

    To be honest I can't see a disconnect but often times I can see or understand a connection. Obama is not over the IRS. Congress actually has more influence on that agency than BO does. As far as connections go, the only thing I have seen concerning this scandal as of yet is the GOP's intent on using this for political purposes. There is a reson why congress and the GOP have the lowest approval ratings of all time. It's because they either refuse or are incapable of getting anything done.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 17, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Can you imagine the tantrums and investigations that would be going on if this had happened under a Republican President?

    Nixon did less than this and was impeached. Obama is getting pitied by the press and doesn't have to answer for his extreme incompetence.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "Implement a flat tax, or better yet, a federal sales tax."

    Tax cuts for the rich coupled with tax hikes for the poor and middle class? No thanks.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @obsessed with bo

    "...I don't expect Janet Napolitano to know everything about her department, but she should be able to get answers within hours. That's not happening. Obama's administration is detached from the operations of the Executive Branch...".


    Republican President Ronald Reagan spent 19 months trying to figure out what happened with regard to IRAN-Contra before admitting to the American people that he did not know everything that was going on within his administration regarding IRAN-Contra.

    Yet, you expect President Obama to have all the answers within hours?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 17, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    At no time did the Obama administration know what the Obama administration was doing.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Wouldn't this be a good time to cut the IRS by about 80% of their staff? Implement a flat tax, or better yet, a federal sales tax.

    Since they can't be trusted; maybe we should find a better way to collect revenue. Having 80% of the IRS standing in unemployment lines MIGHT send a message to other federal agencies that they work for us, we don't work for them.

    Its' long overdue.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    @HS Fan
    Seriously, you can't see a disconnect between the White House and the departments they are supposed to manage?
    They are called the Executive Branch because they carry out the law. And Obama and his Cabinet have been caught with their pants down regarding some major problems over several departments.
    I don't expect Janet Napolitano to know everything about her department, but she should be able to get answers within hours. That's not happening. Obama's administration is detached from the operations of the Executive Branch.
    The alternate explanation is worse; that they know what's going on and have ordered these shenanigans to be done.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 17, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Out of 300 organizations scrutinized, 78 were "conservative." What about the other 300, many of which were liberal? Why is the IRS being criticized for doing its job? Didn't we hire the IRS to watchdog for us?

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Say No to BO-
    The IRS scandal has nothing to do with BO's management style. The GOP will try to create a connection through these hearing for political purposes. Meanwhile Rome continues to burn and the GOP and Dem's have picked up a fiddle to play along in Nero's band.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 17, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Wrong chief. Could this be a fall guy?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 17, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    This has more to do with the Obama management style than the IRS.
    He's out-of-touch and so is his cabinet.
    Treasury doesn't know what is going on at the IRS and takes weeks to find out.
    Homeland Security doesn't know what ICE is doing.
    The AG doesn't know about phone log for reporters.
    State Department is in the dark about Benghazi.
    CIA has bad intelligence.
    All these situations and more indicates a White House that is dysfunctional. Obama's getting the answers he wants and no bad news. Everyone has deniability but no answers when needed.
    Poor management is the only answer here. He's golfing, campaigning or on vacation and bureaucrats are left to do what they do best.
    Not unexpected from a man with a background as community organizer. No real leadership skills; just fluff.