Deception and government

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  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    May 18, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    to Mountanman

    In order to be based in reality, you gotta have a sense of humor.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    " . . . , when Obama and staff watched that terrorist attack from the White House? Deception? What would you call it?"

    Well, Richards, that just isn't true. You complain about deception and then lie? Tsk, tsk.

    By the way, the reason they first reported that the attack began as a response to the video was because that was the intel they had received from the CIA.

    Mountanman, the Hulk and Martians are fictional, therefore your world is actuality? Well, hokay, good for you.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 18, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    L White must be kidn. The Dnews doesn't investigate the stories they repeat the stories. I bet you believe everything you read on the internet also.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 18, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    @ Lew Scannon. News flash for you; there are no Martians and the Hulk is a cartoon character therefore my world is actual reality.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    May 18, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    Romney did himself in. You can't castigate 47% of the electorate and expect to win elections. Republicans can't help but to reveal themselves as party over country, and "survival of the fittest."

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 17, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Re: Mike Richards

    Your comparison was utterly baseless. It was as worthwhile as asking if we would be outraged if a piece of broccoli spied on us without a warrant.

    As a side note, if you honestly believe businesses don't spy on their consumers everyday, I invite you to get in touch with me to buy some beachfront property in Oklahoma.

  • George New York, NY
    May 17, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    @stare bright

    Nice string of accusations and consperecy theories got any actual evidence to back it up?

    There is no excuse for the irs's behavior but that does not make wild baseless accusations facts.

    Nothing like putting people on trial in the media right mike?

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    May 17, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    I think debakis(?) must let you all know when a letter is out that you must all jump on.

    You all are OK with the IRS targeting Tea Party groups? What will happen when a Republican Pres takes over the office? Think it will be OK for the IRS under him/her to target groups with the name-progressive. Liberal. Anti-war. Planned parenthood Abortion. Gay rights?

    Of course not! The IRS is the most powerful gov agency and can ruin people's lives. So you don't think 0bama was involved? Just listen to talks he gave about these groups and ranting that they have no oversite.

    Look at the letters the dems wrote to IRS asking them to target the Tea Party. IRS did exactly what their president wanted and what the dems insisted.

    And don't give me this about the "violent tea party". They are ordinary citizens and most have never been active in any party or political movement. They are concerned about 0bama care and what it will do to this country and this economy. Turns out they were/are right!
    (out of room)

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 17, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    I am amazed to see Mike R. use the phrase "spied on them without a signed warrant from a judge". Does that phrase have a familiar ring? It wasn't invented in the last 53 months, you know.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    With power comes corruption and with absolute power comes absolute corruption. It's not a new concept.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 3:26 p.m.


    If you know anything about computer logic, you would know that the word IF starts a comparison and that only when all conditions that are part of that comparison are met is that condition assumed to be true. You made an assumption and your assumption was incorrect.

    What we know for an absolute fact is that Obama swore an oath to protect and defend the

    What we now know for a fact is that people in his administration, people that he selected to work for him, people that should have shown just a little respect for the office that he holds, trampled all over the 1st Amendment.

    YOU would be horror struck if a newspaper spied on its readers without their knowledge, at least you would be if you have any respect for privacy. You would know that every business, when it answers a phone must tell you if it is recording the conversation BEFORE you speak.

    IF those rules hold for a private business, why do you excuse Obama and his administration for stamping on the 1st Amendment?

    George/Phranc, yes really. Does that answer your question George/Phranc?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    When we elect businessmen to government we should expect them to continue their attitude toward deception because deception is a way of life for them.

    Businessmen deceive the public simply as a part of business. Advertising is mostly deception to give the product qualities and quantities that the product may not quite measure up to. And while it is wrong, they insist on the right to thrust their advertising in our neighborhoods, along the roads, and if every media of news and entertainment.

    Your subliminal being is attacked by sights, sounds and smells, some of which you might not even be aware of. Topping if off is the lure of the beautiful girl, or guy, suggesting that …

    They have people working to find the ways to overcome your reluctance to buy their product. Special schools exist to teach them the art of deception. And there are probably schools that teach them how to control your vote.

    May 17, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    @L White

    "I am beginning to think that some liberals have heard lies so long that they have trouble telling fact from fiction."

    No we actually still know when you are lying to us Mike but your belief that we don’t know the diference would explain why you try the things you do.

  • L White Springville, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Well, Mr. J1,

    Is the Deseret News lying about Bengahzi? Is the Deseret News lying about the I.R.S.? Is the Deseret News lying about the news media that abused?

    When you call someone a liar when everything he posted about was found in the Deseret News, then you are calling the Deseret News dishonest and you are calling the writers and editors who work for the Deseret News dishonest.

    Is that what you really meant to say?

    All of the apologies and back-peddling that Obama has done since the hearings began contradict what you are saying.

    I am beginning to think that some liberals have heard lies so long that they have trouble telling fact from fiction.

    The Deseret News is too good of a newspaper with too good of management and edititors for me to sit still and have you tell us that the news that they have printed is all a lie.

  • George New York, NY
    May 17, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    Really mike?

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards:

    You say "What would happen in Utah if the Deserest [sic] News were caught violating the 4th Amendment rights of its readers and spied on them without a signed warrant from a judge?"

    For someone who claims to be a Constitutional expert, you of all people should know that the 4th Amendment is a restriction on the government's ability to conduct search and seizure. It does not apply to a private entity such as the Deseret News. Or did you think the DN has the power to obtain warrants? Or that the DN IS the government?

    Sheesh. Please take a basic course in constitutional law.

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    May 17, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Mike Richards, not a single thing you listed is legit. You have all made it up as you go and now CBS has identified misquoted emails on Benghazi from your friend and Issa protégé Chaffetz. Obama's mistakes primarily is not telling the derelicts in Congress to shove it. They and you have spent 4 years trying to create a coup de tat on a Constitutionally elected government, which is unlike the previous administration. The IRS investigates tax cheats and you scream that the Karl Rove's criminal behavior is being treated unjustly. Get serious. Susan Rice is no scandal. Where were you when Bush ignored warnings of 9/11, hiding in Hicksville praying for a war? We can disagree on issues but to bring the federal government to a screeching halt is treasonous and when we mention impeachment it starts with McConnell and Boehner, not to mention Issa is the only convicted criminal in Congress. Of course the others haven't been convicted yet.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:49 a.m.


    "I fear your ideology has blinded you to reality!"

    Now there's a case of the Martian calling the Hulk green.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    I had such high hopes in 2008. Obama had pomised so many things (his unique ability to solve America's interracial problems, end the partisan "Washington as usual" attitude in DC, fix the economy and unemployment, close Guantanimo, end the wars in months, make terrorists into friends, make Europe like us again, etc)....

    I especially thought he would be able to talk turkey with the NAACP and the Jessie Jackson's of the world, and bring us all together. That has been my BIGGEST disapointment. NOTHING has changed on that front. And it doesn't even seem like he's TRIED to do anything except increase the divide on that front. Think about it... every time he's had a chance to address racial tension he's stuck his foot in his mouth.

    He didn't promise much the second time around. Pretty much bailed on his promise to change Washington (saying it can't be done from inside Washington). Admitted that it takes longer than he thought to end the wars (signing agreement committing US troops in Afganistan till 2024). US troops in Libia, Pakistan, Africa (next is Syria, Iran, and North Korea).

    Now the government scandals... I'm disapointed.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    What's the first thing that a liberal does when his beloved Obama was found with his hand in the cookie jar, why, he tries to divert attention. He pretends that Obama is not the President, that Obama has not been the President for 4-1/2 years and that Obama will never be the President (at least whenever anyone ever mentions another deception coming out of the White House).

    Why did Obama's administration tell us that a "movie" caused "spontaneous" riots in Bengahzi, when Obama and staff watched that terrorist attack from the White House? Deception? What would you call it?

    Why did Obama's administration spy on the newsmedia and then try to cover that up?

    What would happen in Utah if the Deserest News were caught violating the 4th Amendment rights of its readers and spied on them without a signed warrant from a judge? How fast would the Deseret News be shut down? How fast would the DN fire someone if that employee violated the trust placed in him/her by his employer and used technology to spy on people the way that the Obama administration abused their authority?

    Should Obama's administration be exempt?

  • L White Springville, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Oh my goodness, George. Are you having another bad day?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 17, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    After the GOP White House connived us into an immoral war to benefit their oil cronies, after 4000 Americans were killed and tens of thousands of innocents, and 30000 Americans maimed; after the GOP looked the other way while Wall Street destroyed our economy -- after all this, you'll excuse me if I find this phony GOP outrage ridiculous. Obama is an intelligent, well-intentioned person who has brought back our economy and made it possible for every American to get health care -- despite the bloviating obstructionists from the right. I say God bless him.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 17, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    I think I can summarize the author George's letter: "Like all loyal Americans, I hate Obama. My guy lost the election, and I'm still busted up over that. I will console myself, however, by squealing with glee over the headlines of the last two weeks."

    Does that about cover it?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    I happened to keep track of the lie trackers (fact checkers) during the last presidential. Yes, Obama and his team told some lies. But they were far outpaced by Romney, a whopper generator of substantial stature, who, not surprisingly, was left in the dust by some of his fellow Republican primary contestants (such as Bachmann). The best of the bunch (in terms of telling the truth) was our own Jon Huntsman, which is probably why he fared so poorly.

  • George New York, NY
    May 17, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    So I have to wonder how Romney feels about always being made out to be such a helpless victim.

  • George New York, NY
    May 17, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    I am not sure you should be calling others deceptive mike j white.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 17, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    @ Real Maverick. I fear your ideology has blinded you to reality! Why do you demand so much from Republican leaders (GWB, whom you obviously hate) but so very, very little from Obama (for whom you constantly apologize)? How about being consistent?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 17, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    Is the government "really" that much "more" corrupt than before? Or is 1 political party and it's media just making a big deal out of little/non-existent things?

    Birthers? Obama's transcripts? Benghazi?

    If only repubs held the President from 2000-08 to the same standard...

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    For once I agree with JoeBlow,

    He admitted that politics is "sleezy". I'll meet Joe half-way. I agree wholeheartedly that the way Obama conducts politics is "sleezy".

    One of the finest Presidents to ever hold office set the example. Harry Truman's sign said, "The Buck Stops Here". He did what he thought needed to be done - and then he took the heat for doing it. Obama throws anyone under the bus whenever anyone questions his involvement in anything. He refuses to say whether he ate oatmeal or eggs for breakfast until he's shown the morning polls.



    Spying on the press.

    Fast and Furious.

    Hillary Clinton.

    Susan Rice.

    Eric Holder.

    Bill Ayers.

    Tim Geithner.

    Look at Obama's "friends". Where are they now?

    Look at his deception. Can anyone see the "pattern"? Can anyone see his character being revealed? Does anyone wonder why Obama has such a "poor memory" for facts when confronted with the actions of his administration?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    May 17, 2013 4:30 a.m.

    "The goal was to damage the public image of Mitt Romney, his record and capability and prejudicially misrepresent the performance of the Obama administration in domestic and international affairs."

    Is that not the goal and strategy in most presidential races?

    Hate to break it to you George, but unfortunately, that's politics.

    So, the Obama campaign told untruths? Big Surprise.
    Let me guess. You think Romney did not?

    Politics is sleazy business.
    But if you don't think that both sides play the exact same game, you are confused.

    Partisans can only see the other sides lies and tactics.

    Now, lets get on to more pressing issues. We have to prepare for the 37th useless vote on repealing Obamacare.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 17, 2013 2:03 a.m.

    But Goerge, apparently you didn't get the message, mr. bho said he didn't know about all these things! I know, I know, that excuse is getting a little old and overused, but honest...that is what he said!
    Not really a shocker here! Most of us who refuse to get caught up in worshiping this guy, or have some phony since of performing a sort of do-good, make-up for all past evils action by blindly supporting this liar of a president, have realized for years what a bag of empty promises and ability he really is. At least one thing will never change, bho will always love listening to himself ramble on and on, no matter how many lies he tells. I am betting that now Carter isn't the only previous president who wakes up and thanks the Lord above each day, that the nation has picked a president worse then himself. Now bubba bill clinton can be thankful that the nation has a president who tells more lies then he did!