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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 18, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    "Which "lie" from the Obama Administration caused the four people to die? "

    Exactly.... still waiting......

    Lets say lies were told (not sure that is true yet), but that still doesn't point to these "lies" that were told after the fact caused 4 people to die.

    I am hoping Moiuntianman et al can provide some clarity here.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    May 17, 2013 5:35 a.m.

    People.. If you will follow the time line of events leading up to the attack on the Embassy, you will see clearly the in-action by both State Department and White House in preparation for the disaster. Since it occured before the election, it would not be a stretch of imagination to assume that had Obamas actions been made public, he might not have been elected.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    @J Thompson
    "Every Democrat who has ever spoken up for Obama would like to see the hearings swept under the rug."

    No. We'd like the investigative committees to actually be thorough. When you ask someone who claims that military forces should've been sent, what you're supposed to do is call up someone who made that decision and ask why they didn't. Democrats had people they wanted to have speak on these types of things at these hearings and Republicans said no. I guess actually talking to the people responsible could detract from the narrative the Republicans want to build.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    May 16, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    J Thompson - Riiight, Democrats hate facts, they just sweep things under the rug. Great examples.

    Re: IRS - Dems are "sweeping this under the rug" by firing the head of the IRS and utilizing the AG to open a criminal investigation into the matter with the FBI, among other things.

    Re: AP/DOJ - Dems are "sweeping this under the rug" by reintroducing the Free Flow of Information Act (Democratic Rep. John Conyers) and by calling it an "unacceptable abuse of power" and we must "make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again." (ACLU), among other things.

    The actual difference is that liberals view a situation on the merits while conservatives prefer to view a situation through a political lens. Don't believe me? Why don't you check your facts to see when conservatives in Congress were given all those emails outlining the Banghazi talking point edits. They've had them for months and didn't seem to care one iota until a couple of days ago when people like you suddenly started to believe there was a cover up. Seriously, check the facts, look to see when Chaffetz et al received those emails. Talk about opportunists.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    @J Thomas
    You are perfectly aware of why I called you out Mike. It had nothing to do with me or a desire to cover up anything it had to do with your comments on another thread were you decried the Utah attorney general being but on trial by the media and how you thought that people should wait until the investigation and any resulting trials ended. If one wants to claim some moral high ground one would do well to try to be consistent and also not attempt to d3esive by once again signing in under your various names and pretending to be someone else.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    May 16, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Some people, like Tolstoy, would stop newspapers from reporting the hearings. Obama would like to sweep the hearings under the rug. Every Democrat who has ever spoken up for Obama would like to see the hearings swept under the rug.

    The duty of the news media is not to hold court, but to publish the facts. Democrats don't like facts. Facts are somehow too permanent for them. They want to be able to twist things to mean the opposite of what was said. They want to pretend that Obama, Clinton and Rice never blamed a movie for the terrorist attack in Bengahzi. They want to pretend that no one on the Democrat side of the isle ever enlisted the help of the I.R.S. to spy on the news media and on conservatives. Using their fanciful thinking, they would have us believe that the news media spied on itself and that conservatives asked the I.R.S. for an audit.

    Yes, Tolstoy, cover it all up. Sweep it under the rug. It's such "old news".

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 16, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    It's interesting to see those who defend John Swallow and complain about the "judging" of him before the facts come out sure are quick to judge and condemn the President of the United States.

    I'm sure you folks wouldn't be using this for political reasons... Right?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 16, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    obama lied about this from the beginning. He is so full of crap, it is pitiful. He even lied about his lie in the debate, when Romney had to debate obama and the moderator. It is sad and funny to see the faithful, bho worshiping, brown nosing leftists contort themselves anyway possible to defend this sad sack! I doubt that anything will come of all this. I agree with most of the leftists about one thing, all these scandals, fabrications, lies, and blatant examples of moronic incompetence by the anointed one, will not amount to much, once his adoring media and leftist BL's get this thing pushed down the road and covered up a little more.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Obama called it an act of terror one day after the attack and the administration had it straightened out and was calling it a terrorist attack within 2 weeks of the attack (notably over a month before the election). For people who are obsessed with Benghazi, you sure are slow at picking up facts...

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    May 16, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Mountanman - Ah, vague generalities; thank you so much, your response was very helpful. And there I was, lacking wisdom, when I thought that you would actually have a legitimate response to such a simple question.

    Let's try this again:

    Which "lie" from the Obama Administration caused the four people to die?

    Direct question, I expect a direct answer. If you want to continue to obfuscate then please refrain from responding.

    Further, in order to ensure you have any integrity on the matter, please elucidate on what you have done/said, up to this point, with regards to impeaching/trying people in the Bush43 Administration for the proactive lying that resulted in the Iraq Qar and thousands of innocent American soldiers' deaths? I'm sure you have been extremely proactive on that front, I'm just looking to confirm your consistency.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 16, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Re: "four Americans lost their lives so we could 'save' the president's re-election."

    Whether you like or dislike Obama, this is a despicable comment.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 16, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    HS fan, I basically agree. However, I'm still not quite sure what Obama himself or his immediate surrogates did other than referee a free for all between different agencies who were trying to cover themselves. The talking points that emerged seem to be a compromise based on information that was evident and some that was accurate albeit speculative at the time.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 16, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @ Stalwart Sentinel. Where have you been? Three men who were actual witnesses (whistle blowers) testified very recently and their version of Benghazi is very different than we have been lead to believe by the Obama administration's lies and cover-ups. Wise up, life is short!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    @mike richards
    so I thought you were against putting people on trail through the media Mike?

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Bush and Chenney should be tried and I think convicted of war crimes. America is hypocritic in the eyes of the world as the facts support we invaded Iraq under false pretenses, killing thousands of innocent people and causing pain and suffering for generations of people. The Regan administration was found guilty in Iran Contra and Ollie served time. He took the blame for Regan but all know he was informed and supported the unconstiutional crimes that took place. I have not seen any factual evidence up to this point that anything Obama did was unconstitional or criminal. Stupid, yes, criminal no. This is politcs, plain and simple and it should keep BO from getting anything done in the next 3 years which is the sole purpose of it.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 16, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    "He will face impeachment for lying to the American people" The same way Cheney was impeached for lying about weapons of mass destruction. Yes Cheney knew, no question. Or maybe Obama will be impeached the same way Regan was impeached for lying about selling arms to Iran, which in fact was illegal. Not going to happen Mr. Richards. Covering up a criminal act is a no brainer. Lying under oath is asking for trouble. Changing talking points..seriously?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    Why are Republicans determined to find crime in talking points instead of finding the criminals who killed the Americans?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 16, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Re: "Where are the GOP's solutions to real problems effecting [sic] millions of Americans."

    So, a liberal finally admits "effecting" [meaning "to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen"] millions of new Americans -- presumably from the millions of illegal aliens present in America -- is a real problem?


  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    May 16, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Mountanman - Remind me, which "lie" from the Obama Administration caused the four people to die? The timeline of events is really hazy to me. Even if lies occurred, I would submit that you are engaging in what's called "illusory correlation."

    However, if lies and subsequent American death upset you, please tell me how you feel about the Iraq War. Go into detail about a situation wherein an administration actually fabricated the scenario, rather than reacted to one, and then the lie literally cost thousands of innocent American soldiers their lives. Please, demonstrate some integrity for once and tell me all about your disgust w/ the Bush Administration.

    In fact, of all the topical discussions this week, the only one meriting a "gate" addendum would be the DOJ's actions against the AP. That is an actual issue that justifies true righteous indignation on our part, it is distgusting.

    Finally, just as an FYI, I believe there is an "i" in "mountain." Thought you should know.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 16, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Do you folks ever get tired of this partisan mud slinging? From birth certificates to now this. Where are the GOP's solutions to real problems effecting millions of Americans. Here we are 5 years into this thing and I have yet to hear or see one. Do we have to wait 3 years for the GOP to offer solutions? And what if they are elected into the White House? Then will we have to endure 4 years of more tax cuts for the rich and wars in the Middle East? Will everything they do be declared as right and if you disagree with them will you be labeled unamerican?

    Because that's what happened between 2000-08.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 16, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Wow, it must be irrational right-wing extremist morning in the readers' forum. Who picked the three letters that ended up in today's paper? Good work, DesNews. If your intent is to illustrate just how shaky the thinking of ultraconservatives is, you are succeeding. Thank goodness for Barry Bickmore's sensible rebuttal to Bob Bennett's wishy-washy editorial. Otherwise today would have been a clean sweep for wackiness.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 16, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    @ Irony Guy. Thanks for bringing up Watergate. It was promoted as the "crime of the century" by Democrats and the news media for months on end even though no one died. A President was forced to resign in disgrace, even though no one died. People went to prison even though no one died. With Benghazi, 4 people died and no one in the Obama administration will answer any questions about all the lies. 4 innocent Americans died and the Democrats and the news media are accepting stonewalling lying and pretending it doesn't matter, all to protect Hillary!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 16, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Watergate was planned, premeditated criminal activity by the White House. Benghazi appears to be a lot of people interpreting things differently. There's a lot of space between Watergate and this Benghazi issue.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 16, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Thanks for the hyperbolic beating of the terminal horse, Frank. Keepin' the paranoid alive.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    May 16, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Yes, Obama lied! And, apparently, he is the worst liar in the world.

    September 12, 2012 - "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

    So if this is Obama's way of lying then, like everything else according to conservatives, he can't even do that correctly.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 16, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    What was the reason that Nixon left office? Was it because of a "burglary" or was it because he lied?

    What was the reason the Clinton was impeached? Was it because he had sex with an intern or was it because he lied under oath?

    What is the "problem" of Benghazi? Is it the fact the Obama failed to keep those people safe or is it the fact that he lied, that Hilary Clinton lied and that Susan Rice lied?

    Obama is not going to be impeached for his inability to function as Commander in Chief. Obama is not going to be impeached for his failure to act on behalf of the four Americans where were killed. He will face impeachment for lying to the American people and covering up the fact that terrorists attacked our consulate.

    The fact that he was in the middle of a campaign and that he thought that the "T" word would cost him votes only adds to his crime of "bearing false witness". Bearing "false witness" has been unethical for 4,000 years.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 16, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    The delusion that partisans like Mr. Overfelt continue to believe that the President was re-elected because Ms. Rice's statements on national television is comical, but the continued comparison of understating the cause of a tragedy to the criminal act of burglary shows a clear lack of moral certitude. It's this substitution of partisanship for moral judgment that is making civil policy debate impossible in this country now.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    I don't think bengazhi had much to do with the country not liking Mr Romney or his policies which strongly favored old rich white people.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 16, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    "To this day the White House states (through Jay Carney, press secretary) that they would have done the same thing over again — because it worked — the president got re-elected and only four Americans lost their lives to pay for it."

    Excuse me? Four people died so the president could get re-elected. There may have been incompetence in the response - though this is still under debate - nothing that is being revealed points to the president allowing anyone to die for political purposes. To say people sat in Washington making decisions to intentionally let people die because somehow someone calculated their deaths would advantage the President in the election is almost unimaginable.

    The logic.... that these deaths played to Obamas advantage....shows a new low in the political debate... it truly has become win at any cost.