Philadelphia abortion doctor guilty in 3 babies' deaths (+video)

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  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    May 14, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    For all of you who claim the status of "god" and claim to know all the answers, some of these proposals are pretty weak. I find it interesting that people say that "this is the way things should be" and the prescribe the scenario they feel works best.

    I will stick with the originator of the conditions that bring forth life and follow His plan. If He wanted them to be aborted instead of come to life, no matter the condition, then let Him do it. That is His job, not ours.

    I do agree there are conditions that could result in a termination, but they are few and far between and have nothing to do with poverty or convenience.

    Everyone has the opportunity to choose an action (except in the case of rape) but no one has the ability to deny the consequences of those actions. Abstinence is still the best policy and the consequences for making things worse by going through an abortion, result in worse consequences that may not all be felt in this life alone.

    Eternity is a long time to think about doing the wrong things and affecting the life of another.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Furry1993: First off its a baby from conception. If its not a human being what is it?? A dog, cat or perhaps an alien. Even babies with deformities deserve a chance at life.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    May 14, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Give it up, chinookD. Gosnell was never about helping poor, minority or his community. The facts tell the truth; his finances speak to his motives. He went into a community that also had no regard for human life, and figured murder justified their lack of preparation.

    There are no winners in this hideous nightmare. If abortion were used for the extreme necessity of protecting the mother's life, no state would need a "murder mill". And the health officials here are just as guilty.

    Your argument holds as much water as a Nazi death camp mentality. Stop foisting your inhumanity on innocent life that otherwise would thrive to a viable human being. You cannot create life nor justify its unnecessary murder. Kudos to jurors who posses more humanity than the majority of this country's citizens.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    "I do not believe that abortion kills a baby or a human being since the spirit is not yet present in the body." The earliest baby to have ever survived premature birth was born at 21 weeks and 6 days, you go ahead and convince your self its a parasitic non entity. Since children rarely leave home before they are 18, means they are a parasitic life-form until then also. Do you advocate the termination of their lives for the health and financial welfare of the parents?

    Late term partial birth abortions, supported by the Obama's, by admission of the Doctor that created the procedure, is generally used 80% of the time on healthy mothers and viably healthy babies.

  • svutility Des Moines, IA
    May 14, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    You must not have looked at the waiting lists for adoption agencies. I have a sister-in-law and her husband who waited 3 years on a waiting list and finally were blessed with a baby from one of the "accidental pregnancies" you referenced. That is exactly how these pregnancies should be handled in the vast majority of cases. There are thousands of families, several of whom I know personally, who would love to adopt kids from underprivileged backgrounds whose mothers made choices that brought them into the world with very little security. These couples are waiting, hoping, and praying for an opportunity to bring one of these children home, but far too many expectant mothers decide to end the pregnancy rather than see it through to delivery. If a mother can conceivably deliver a baby with low risk to her own health, she should do everything in her power to give that baby a chance to succeed by placing it in a loving home that can provide for its needs and give it a future, rather than end the possibility of a future just as it is beginning its journey.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 14, 2013 5:41 a.m.

    I'd really be curious to know why peole have so much concern about a parasitic life form which, if the pregnancy gestating it goes to term, will become a baby and a human being when the spirit enters the body at birth, and so litle concern about the only life-in-being in the equation -- the woman who is that life form's host during the nine months of gestation.

    I believe abortion is wrong except in a very few circumstances -- to preserve the life or health of the pregnant woman, in cases of rape and incest, or if there is a fatal fetal deformity. That is because I believe an abortion violates the covenant we have made to the spirits who come after us to provide them bodies in which to live on earth. I do not believe that abortion kills a baby or a human being since the spirit is not yet present in the body. I followed my belief by attepting to gestate six very dangerous, high risk pregnancies, two of which resuted in children and four in second trimester self-termination.

    Believe what you will, but don't try to impose your belief on others.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:51 p.m.


    About 1-3% of all abortions done are for cases of incest, rape, or for the life of the mother. So, assuming that a woman needs an abortion to survive (in cases of incest and rape, adoption is a very viable option) only about 1% of abortions are needed. Shall we get rid of the other 99%?

    I understand that unwanted pregnancies occur. However, abortion is NOT the best answer for people who listen to their conscience. It is very rarely the best answer, yet too often people see it as the best answer.

    Hemlock said it best. Taking the life of a human being, especially one as innocent as a baby, should not be done without very serious consideration of other options.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    May 13, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Furry1993: I know a girl that recently died giving life to her baby Now days very few women die giving birth. What I am saying is there is no need for abortion

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Your argument has some valid points, but what is certain - a fetus is a human being. There are times when therapeutic abortion is permissible (It would be unethical to require a mother to deliver a full term anencephalic baby.), but ending a life must have a more compelling and ethical reason than convenience.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    @snowman 5:03 p.m. May 13, 2013

    chinookdoctor: No women needs and abortion


    So you're saying you'd rather they continue the pregnancy, and let the pregnancy kill them?

  • snowman Provo, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    chinookdoctor: No women needs and abortion

  • snowman Provo, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    No baby deserves to be aborted. What does this story have to do with the church?

  • chinookdoctor PASADENA, CA
    May 13, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Additional comment: given that many LDS women, whom I have spoken to all over the country, do not know that they can get pregnant with one episode of unprotected sex, and that their fertility is not tied to whether or not their husband's mother or other female relatives get pregnant easily, we shouldn't be so quick to judge people who have abortions. People have unwanted pregnancies all the time, inside and outside the church due to a variety of factors. In the church, however, women who get pregnant because no one taught them that on their wedding night using a condom or the pill could prevent an unwanted conception, are simply forced through cultural and religious taboos to continue the pregnancy. That's fine when there is ample welfare for such unprepared couples and for married women with a partner who may agree to provide for them while they pursue a stay-at-home course. What about for young girls who have had no training in pregnancy prevention or the Law of Chastity and no supportive church welfare? Moreover, where are church members to adopt or foster these kids who are born to the unprepared?

  • chinookdoctor PASADENA, CA
    May 13, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    @luv2organize, so, you're saying that every woman who needs an abortion is irresponsible and that abortion advocates want to give irresponsible people a free ride on the backs of hardworking americans? I am always amazed at the comments on this site. Why is there so much disdain towards the poor, women, people of color, and people who are not radical right-wing conservatives? Obviously you have no idea what it is like to live in poor communities that have scant access to affordable reproductive care and even fewer resources for jobs, housing and child care that allow women and men to take care of the children they welcome into their homes, much less those resulting from pregnancies that were unwanted or accidental. I know of plenty of people from all over the socio-economic and racial spectrum who have accidental pregnancies; and in fact, women of color are more likely to keep their unwanted pregnancies than affluent white women. However, poor women, especially young girls in their teens, less likely have access to stable and affordable reproductive care, including safe and effective birth control and education regarding birth control. Speak on topics with which you have familiarity.

  • luv2organize Gainesville, VA
    May 13, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    "Kermit Gosnell has been found guilty and will get what he deserves. Now, let's make sure these women are vindicated by delivering what all women deserve: access to the full range of health services including safe, high-quality and legal abortion care," said Ilyse G. Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

    No, Ilyse G. Hogue, let's teach people to be responsible for their actions. How about you raise the money for the full range of health services instead of putting the expense on all Americans.

    It bothers me so much that what is being said all happened because of poor, uneducated women. Really? I don't buy the victim stance at all. We are all responsible for our actions - poor or not.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    The Mothers killed their little babies along with the doctor. It was collusion!

  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    May 13, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    I know there is true justice in the eternities, but I don't know how a person like this can ever feel the weight of what he has done.

    How can anyone participate in the practice of Abortion? We look with horror at the damage done by Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, yet right here in the US we allow a daily death of thousands of the most innocent of all humanity to die, and its all legal.

    Our society has fallen so low and when people can kill the most innocent among us without repercussion, its somewhat satisfying that this doctor will hopefully not have the opportunity to continue his mission of death any more.

    Someday all involved in this terrible practice will feel the shame and terror of the reality of what they have done to those who needed them most. No wonder the Lord will sweep the people from this land and give it to another. Unless we change this and a host of other horrors that happen every day in our country, we don't deserve to live in the promised land.