Reports show gun homicides down since 1990s

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  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    lost in DC I will vouch for Liberals attempt at an apology, he tried, he apologized that they were not the political social economic group he had claimed then added the caveat the where uber right wing fundamentalists because "they are:

    Against abortion,
    Against homosexuals and Pre-marital sex,
    Against smoking and drinking,
    Against pornography,
    Against gambling,
    and other forms of vice and decadence...

    That puts them squarely into the uber-far-right-wing camp"

    Then he provided his opinion about allowing those that commit the above the excuse of free agency. But he does not allow the concept of free agency in gun ownership.
    He is right when he says "I say what I mean, and mean what I say."

    I love that he extolls the Lamenite prophet Samuel, by using the screen name Samuel the Liberal, although I do believe on the wall Samuel was calling the people to repentance from the sins here listed. That makes him an uber far right wing religious fanatic.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    LDS? lib,
    muslim terrorists are not right-wing, they are hard-core left.

    you cite recent statistics for mass murders, but neglect to cite older information. NOTHING you said substantiates that mass murders have increased.

    you say you are man of integrity and you mean what you say.

    I find it less than honest when you say the LDS church supports gay marriage and abortion. twisting LDS positions to suit your politcal bent is "putting other gods before Him", the 1st of those pesky 10 commandments liberals trot out only when they can use them for argument sake, but they otherwise ignore.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 8, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    lost in DC
    West Jordan, UT

    LDS? lib,
    No, mass murders have NOT increased. Nice fabricated argument. Have you yet apologized for your initial claim that the Boston bombers were right-wing gun nuts?


    In the United States, there have been at least 62 mass shootings in the past three decades, with 24 in the last seven years alone. This has happened even as the nation's overall violent crime and homicide rates have been dropping.


    Right-wing, YES.
    Ultra-religious, YES.

    Tea-Partiers, no -- and I apologized for that.

    BTW - since they used bombs,
    I never once mentioned anything about them being gun-nuts.

    Oh, and one other thing,
    Please stop slandering me and what I say.

    I am a man of integrity.
    I say what I mean,
    and mean what I say.

    Your twisting and dis-information of what I said is just another form of lying.
    i.e., "bearing false witness"

    One of those pesky 10 commandments conservatives say, but by and large, ignore.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Mark B,
    Those studies were provided by an agenda-driven liberal group. Remove suicides, which do NOT need a gun, and the results change dramatically.

    LDS? lib,
    No, mass murders have NOT increased. Nice fabricated argument. Have you yet apologized for your initial claim that the Boston bombers were right-wing gun nuts?

    Murder rates are so many murders per thousand residents, not total number of murders. So a city with 100 people and 6 murders has a higher rate than a city with 1000 people and 10 murders. Thanks for playing, though.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    California hasn't left the time of the gold rush, everyone for themselves, in someway. There are a lot of knife suicides, also. We can't train everyone in gun laws and definitely, we cannot do that for knife safety unless you are in the Boy Scouts and get signed off on that. I have not heard of the Boy Scouts having as many deaths as they are trained in gun, knife and arrow safety.

    Even in the pioneer days, people, including children fell off of swings, wagons, and other kinds of death when there were not statistics. We pay universities and lobbyists plenty of money to gather statistics to prove their point.

    It takes politicians at least a few years to get the information in the way they want to prove their point for campaigning, elections and power in their respective offices.

    You can lock all the airplanes in a hangar and pilots will potentially be safer. You can lock all guns up and deaths will still happen, whether in mass or one at a time. Tinted Kool-Aid killed a lot of people, including children. Chemical weapons kill in mass, also, as do nuclear weapons or power-plants.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    the citys with the highest murder rates have more people the most citys do, and you will always have more murders. no one noticed that when the econemy gets better the murder rate goes down. the murder rate went down 90s the back up in the 2000s and this decade going down. when you have hope less chance of robbing.

  • Unclefred Ticonderoga, NY
    May 8, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal Really? Could you supply some data for that statement? All my research says exactly the opposite... It's always about a definition of terms. You can define assault weapons to include kitchen knives, and mentally insane to include a bad day at the office.. (I'm a Board member of a NY state mental health Assoc.) The guns used in the Revolutionary war by privates are now classified as assault weapons in New York State... Be liberal if you must, but please research this from unbiased sources, don't just blindly accept the liberal agenda.. These are your rights and your childrens rights you are throwing away, they do not belong to the government, or either major political party.....

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 8, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Has anyone noticed the three lists recently published by DN? There are the ten worst states for gun violence, the ten strictest gun ownership laws states and the ten "easy regulation" states. None of the "most strict" states were on the "most violent" list, but, surprise, three of the "easy to pack" list were also "most violent". BTW, all three are flaming politically red. If New Yorkers are afraid of having their guns taken away, they are free to move to Louisiana, although that does not remove the risks. As for doing nothing to limit gun access, I have no shred of doubt that that is precisely the plan of the NRA, and they are willing to sound like fools in order to get NOTHING done.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    ‘Reports show gun homicides down since 1990s’



    Gun Suicides,
    and Gun mass-Massacres due to the mentally insane having full un-questioned access to them is way, WAY up since 1990s.

    It's time for some common-sense restrictions.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Mark B. How is it that the four cities with the highest homicide rates have the toughest and most draconian gun control laws. As far as confiscation, Oregon, California, New York have already passed laws supporting gun confiscation. New York has already seized guns under their "SAFE" law. Do you realize even IBuprofin has a psychotropic effect warning. Under New York law your gun possession license can be revoked and your guns confiscated for taking a psychotropic drug. Never mind Heppa laws should prevent access to medical records but the state mined the records in violation of the laws. Your statement that no one is proposing such laws is either absolute propaganda or naive.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    the dems "gun" legislation was never about guns, but about control.

    Mark B,
    you are correct, no one IS claiming martial law will be declared. JWB did not say the dems were proposing martial law. he was merely pointing out that a society where guns were outlawed had higher rates of crime.

    and we are trying to keep guns out of the hands of certain people. Stop acting like we are doing nothing. The only ones doing nothing are Holder's injustice department, with its abyssmal record of prosecuting those who get caught in background checks.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 8, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Give it a rest, will you? There is no one proposing martial law, no one proposing gun confiscation, and no one even demanding common sense measures such as locks or safes. Who knows why, but even CHILDREN get guns sold to them in our market-based economy.

    But "Gun homicides down" is good. Perhaps all the screaming that "no gun control measure has ever worked" isn't exactly right. They would, I contend, work better when we at least try to keep guns out of the hands of certain dangerous people. You know. The ones who kill people? I wouldn't give Clint Eastwood much credit.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    I don't see Senator Feinstein pushing this news release. We have had more gun ownership and more concealed weapons permits since then so the bad guys don't know who they are dealing with.

    Having lived in countries where they had martial law and guns were not permitted except by the police and military, people's home were robbed more often as the thieves knew they were dealing with people that only had a stick to hit them with or maybe stab them. Not even CB radios were allowed as that was a form of communication that could be used against the government. No cell phones or internet and a television program could be interrupted at any time for a message from the President of the country or the propaganda people.

    In some countries the bad guys have weapons of substantial size and use. If normal citizens didn't have the opportunity to have a form of self-protection that was valid, a knife doesn't stop guns, people are powerless.

    Clint Eastwood image in every house stops homicides.