Utah Jazz: Franchise's future rests squarely on the shoulders of its young Core Four

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  • fortydam OREM, UT
    May 10, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    B Russ it's not just Corbin, it's the whole philosophy from frank Layden till now. Utah became a bad defensive team the year they put Boozer on the floor, nothing has changed since. Changing socks when you have dirty feet doesn't make your feet clean, it only makes the new socks dirty. If they start the coaching merry-go-round they will just have another obstacle in the way.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    May 10, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    If the future rest squarely on the shoulders of the young core, then Corbin must go. He has already proven that he does not believe in them. We need a coach with at least enough savy to know who his own best players are. Defense included.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 10, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    Your thought is chilling to me too, although I think I worry that they will sign even one of them. Both players will prove more useful to other teams. Favors and Kanter must play major minutes this coming season. And, yes, as fans, we were cheated last year, not getting the chance to see more of the core four.
    Love Watson's comment in last paragraph of this article. Wouldn't that be something if Kanter became a great NBA player?

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:14 p.m.

    I have noticed a lot of love for Deron Williams on here. Why? Look at how much he is costing Brooklyn. He is not anywhere near worth his money or the money we would have had to pay him. He is not even a top 5 point guard. The guy is not a winner and gets criticized by former players and analysts all the time for not giving consistent good efforts. I watched him several times this past season. When things were going well, he was tough. When he wasn't on his game or his team struggled, he would pout and eventually quit. He will never be a champion unless he changes. He was arrogant, and a poor leader when he was here. I was fine seeing him go for we would never be serious contenders with him. Look at his New Jersey team. Very talented this year yet he couldn't even lead his team past the bulls practice squad.

  • doc33 Las Vegas, NV
    May 9, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    I think the Jazz are trying to put a positive spin on their decision to trade D-Will. So far, the results have only produced hopes and dreams. None of their "core" players have demonstrated an ability to become the team's franchise player or players. I don't think that guy is there at the present. In time, I believe the Jazz will attempt to move some of their assets to find that one guy, like the guy they traded who was the face of the organization.

  • DougC San Diego, CA
    May 9, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    START kanter and favors next year. Then, our future is bright

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    May 8, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    After the changes in the playing roster after last season, via trades and signings, it seemed that nearly everyone expected the Jazz to have a better year. After the Mo Williams acquisition, everyone, including all of the press, agreed that the Jazz had improved the overall quality level of their players.

    Coach Corbin also predicted this past season was going to be an improvement, with perhaps a bit of run in the playoffs. Sadly, he didn't deliver. With better players, the team actually did worse than the year before. Yes, the Jazz had their average number of injuries. All teams do. That's to be factored in.

    The variable left is the coaching staff. And the buck stops with the head coach. He determines the rest of his staff. Many of the fans and especially those commenting on these online articles have become critical and frustrated with coach Corbin. He simply hasn't delivered as expected with his first head coaching job. The team owners should be cautious about providing on the job training with a head coach, and realize that too much loyalty to a head coach can be detrimental to the team as a whole.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    May 8, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    Americanvet, hit it right on the head. If Lindsey had much to do with the success of the Spurs, I hope he brings it to Utah. I'd wait another year too, if they do it right.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    My biggest fear is that the Jazz will re-sign Jefferson and Milsap, if they do you can be assured they will be getting most of the minutes once again which will assure that Kanter and Favors will not come back.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    May 8, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    The core 4 (add DC, if you wish), playing with Durrant/Westbrook (even with his replacement) or Duncan/Parker would still be in the playoffs.

    When it comes down to a go-to-guy, the Jazz usually come up empty, more times than not.

    Until that problem is solved, the Jazz will continue to be lottery/one and done playoff (7/8 seeds) material.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    May 8, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    The biggest obstacle on keeping good young players on the Jazz is that the spotlight is not very bright in Salt Lake. The only light in Mayberry was the barber pole down at old Floyd's shop, and frankly it's not much better in SLC. But, players do want to play on a good team that has a chance to make some noise in the playoffs and the best way to keep the core 4 together is to start building that kind of team. They still might be.lured off to the bright lights do L.A. Or NYC, but if the Jazz improve vastly it will sure hep:)

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    May 8, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    The only reason we wouldn't be able to keep our young core together is if at least two of them elevate their games enough to demand max contracts. As it stands now, I doubt any of the four would get much more than $10M on the open market once their rookie contracts are up. If they were free agents right now, I bet Favors would get $12m, Hayward $7m, Kanter $7m (bigs are more valuable than guards), and Burks $4m. Those numbers will definitely go up as the players get more playing time next year but probably not substantially.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    May 8, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    that would be incredible if Utah ever had to deal with the problem that OKC had of their core 4 being too good that they'll have trouble paying them all. Of the former OKC core 4, there were 3 all stars (i.e. 3 U.S. olympians) - namely Durant (2nd best player in the NBA), Westbrook, and Harden. The Jazz don't have a single All-Star player amongst their core 4 and none of their core 4 is even close to being an All-star at the present stage of their career. Although that would be great if they progress to that point.

    fastfox - you are wrong in your recollection of the thunder roster. Green was traded to the Celtics in 2011 and harden started playing for the Thunder in 2009.

  • Jody Genessy
    May 8, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    xert....thanks for your comments.

    It might have been a "poorly written article," as you stated. Guess everybody is their own judge of that. But I didn't write about DeMarre Carroll because he is not under contract for next season. I'm not so sure he'll be back either, quite frankly.

    This article was about the Core Four - not about the other guys the need to bring back or who should surround them. There will be time for articles like that in the future.

    I do agree that he plays with a great level of heart and passion, which should be emulated by all Jazz players.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    Say what you want Dennis but as long as Corbin is the coach plan for another early season next year.I would love to see Mr. Corbin prove me wrong...

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 8, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Poorly written article, Jody. Not a single mention of DeMarre Carrol? He added a level of energy and toughness that not one of these "core 4" possess yet. I'd almost call him more important because until these young players learn to play every minute on the court with his level of heart and passion, they are going to be an underacheiving core.

  • fastfox Ogden, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    OKC was different...They never had Green, Durant, Harden and Westbrook on the team at one time. They traded Green to get Perkins before Harden I believe. Also they chose to pay Ibaka over Harden, because Harden was dissatisfied with his 6th man role and they traded him. They got very good return for him, however no where near Harden's value.

    I see the jazz being able to keep 3 of their core 4, unless two of them take a significant pay cut to keep the 4th. To me if all 4 pan out, I seen the jazz keeping Hayward, Kanter and Favors. Burks is the likely odd-man out. The only way I see the jazz Keeping burks if somehow he does what Steph curry did and becomes a very good "non-traditional" point guard and his shot improves, but i think he is the most replaceable of the group, although he is my personal favorite.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    Lindsey talked about either being bold right now if the opportunity presents itself, or patient and strategic. I for one hope for the bold approach by putting the team in the hands of the core 4 and using the cap space and draft picks to surround them with a different cast. Millsap and Jefferson both have value, but bringing them back will take away from Favors and Kanter taking over in the front court. Even if we miss the playoffs again next year, I would rather it be because we're putting the team on the backs of the core 4 and we just give them the max playing time to really develop them as they start moving into their prime.

    I read D-Wills comment the other day about his last year with the Jazz. He loved the system and thought we had good players, but the team didn't play aggressive on defense. I think that is still a major concern. The team needs to get much better defensively or we will never contend with the good teams. I hope the team will address that issue this off season as well.

  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    May 8, 2013 1:11 a.m.

    This 'core four' is not going to stay intact. Evern if all four of them pan out and become good players, the Jazz oraganization will not have the money to pay all four of them in the near future (2-4 years).

    Just look at the OKC Thunder. Their 'core four' at one point was Jeff Green, Kevin Durant, James Harden, and Russell Westbrook. Obviously Green and Harden are no longer with OKC.

    The future of the west for the NBA is Denver, Houston, OKC, Portland, and Golden State.