Federal interference in education

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 7, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    re:Ultra Bob

    Thanks to Barack Obama we live in THE most divided America certainly since the 1960's and in many ways much much more than that era. I lived the 60's and I recall the upheaval over the war but there was still a majority of Americans who valued freedom, hard work, self reliance etc... Not today. Clearly today a majority of 'low information' Americans would rather the government decide everything for them ...and while they are at it provide their housing, health care, education, and cell phones for FREE. I agree with you about the 'King' in the White House ...or at least he thinks of himself as a king. America didn't become great by being non-thinking pawns on a chess board ...quite the opposite. United we stand and divided we fall.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 7, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could create a new state and call it America, and allow all the people who want to live by the American creed to move there and be its citizens.

    We could dissolve the United States of America and allow each state to proceed independently on its way. We could divide up the land mass according to the one time election of people, giving each set a land mass according to their number.

    Each major religion could have their own state and match their laws to that particular religion. Those people not of a major religion would just have to find a new country.

    States could make their own treaties and agreements and have no obligation to any other state or nation. It would be sort of like the revolutionary war against the King of England only this time it would be against the King of America.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    May 7, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Judge Jackson is correct. Our constitutional rights are gone unless we act fast to get out of Common Core's control and the attached SLDS data tracking.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    May 7, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    @real Maverick

    We didn't have funding problems until after the feds intrusion into state budgets. This effected states who had low tax base the most as economies of scale hurt there ability to comply with unfunded federal mandates (ie medicaid, federal school programs, etc.). This overwelmingly hurt teacher pay because the only way to increase their pay was to raise taxes (political suicide). This effected teacher quality, school quality and parental involvement as schools moved towards consolidation to help solve the funding problem.

    The current micromanaging by the state legislature is the sad state of an education system stressed by many reasons. Our education system is failing but it has been failing since the fed got involved. The blindness is on the part of people who blindly follow the feds soothing voice without a bit of sceptcism about how their programs have hurt our local schools. Are you not concerned that DNA testing was done in schools in such a sneaky way? That common core will be gathering information on students from religion to family members and other personal information? Since when do liberals so blindly trust government to do the right thing?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 7, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Question: How do you expect to indoctrinate a generation of kids with liberal ideology unless you control the education system? Liberals MUST take kids away from their parents control and then fill their minds with "left-minded" thinking in order to achieve control of the future masses. Every historical dictator - whether it be from Communist Russia or Fascist Germany - saw the crucial role that children play in any sustainable ideological revolution.

    So having said this what SHOULD happen with The Dept Of Education nationally? GET RID OF IT!!! Return ALL education to the states and empower parents by providing school choice, a strengthened home-school opportunity for parents and getting rid of socialist leaning text books. Teach 'real' American history to kids and help them to understand the stark differences of socialism vs capitalism. Oh and one more thing.... STOP COMMON CORE before it sets it's destructive roots into public school.

  • Ya Buddy Spanish Fork, Utah
    May 7, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    I am disappointed in Judge Jackson for using a letter to the editor from the Park City Record to prove a point. The Study involved was the CUSP. The CUSP Facebook page states: "We are a group of researchers at the University of Utah gathering information to help prevent the spread of influenza among school-age children. This was a independent research project, not a school district project.
    My student participated in the CUSP study in my district and there was great parent permission slip that I had to sign--and was an opt-in permission slip (meaning they do not participate unless it is returned).
    The alleged DNA tests were actually viral respiratory tests. It would be against state law to gather this data without parent permission. I question the use of this example as an attack on parents rights. Actually parent rights were protected quite well. The letter to the editor was faulty and the author not follow up on the facts.
    Saying that schools are doing DNA tests in this hysterical environment is doing truth a disservice. People are believing everything they read.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    May 7, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    Amen. The reason the State of Utah goes along with it is money. Just like everything else, the Federal Government holds the purse strings. If you want to get paid, you have to pay. Until the State of Utah says "NO" to Federal funding, the problem with exacerbate.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    The Real Maverick: The Federal Government didn't mean to destroy education, it has only done what the federal government does well, which is to generate more power and money and pull power away from the individual. However, the Federal government only takes what people give them, which is why I am asking individuals to have a little more sense of self worth and belief in themselves enough to start doing what the federal government has no right, role, or understanding. In the absence of any sense of self worth, self guidance, self rule, self initiative, anything, anybody, will step up and take that power and control, which is in this case is the federal government. The problem is, once you give someone charge of your life, how are you really supposed to reach your potential?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 7, 2013 9:07 a.m.


    So it's the federal government's fault that Utah clearly doesn't fund education?

    So it's the federal government's fault that Utah legislators are micromanaging too much?

    What kind of bizarro world are we living in? For a state which supposedly prides itself on accountability, we sure do seem to avoid the responsibility of education and holding our elected officials accountable.

    I guess it's just easier to make a blind hateful blanket statement about the Feds. Just blame everything on the Feds!

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    May 7, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Great article. I am glad we are having more and more people stand up to federal involvment in our schools. I hope our legislature and all of us are involved in reducing the influence of the federal government over our schools. Please tell your friends and neighbors to get involved in the local school board meetings. Also tonight there is a meeting in traverse mountain about common core. Please come out to that meeting and express your concerns with this national curriculum that will rob local communities of their right to determine curriculum and content.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    A person’s education tends to predispose his attitudes and actions as an adult. Education is therefore a valuable tool in the enslavement of people. It is this enslavement of the mind that is contrary to the American creed that all men (and women) are created equal and should have equal opportunity for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    The motivation for local control of schools is to predispose the minds of children in the direction desired by the local power structure. The notion that local control means that ordinary parents will control the local school is false. Ordinary people have no more control over local schools than they have over their local government.

    Education for today’s world should not be bounded by local interests and should encompass as wide an opportunity as possible. That is, if we truly believe in America.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    It is a self evident truth that the federal government has destroyed Education in this country, only saved in its present form by dedicated teachers and accountable parents. It is time for teachers and parents to step up and reclaim the concept of 'education' and return it to its simplest form. The Federal government will not relinquish one iota of power and money, but will ask for more of it in the hopes that a deluded, naive, non-accountable, and compliant public will nod their head! Notice the recent insecure alignment by the state of Utah with the national Common Core Curriculum? Where are the George Washingtons in our Education establishiment that will relinquish the power, believe in The People, and start the engine of real 'education'? Those who believe in States Rights, but want Washington to dictate to every teacher what, when, and how he/she will teach, while not teaching respect, accountability, and sacrifice at home, has no right to speak out about the failures of the public school system. Open your eyes leaders, listen to those who are on the front lines, and make our Education system, once the best in the world, the best again!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 7, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    Anything the government runs, operates or is involved with will inevitably become ineffective, inefficient, corrupted and wasteful be it our education system, our health care(Obamacare), welfare services,the postal service and virtually anything else. Why? The government bureaucrats have no competition and no real accountability. It is what it is!

  • Joe Generic Podunk, Utah
    May 7, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    "It's time to set them free from top-down government micromanagement at all levels." I am assuming that Judge Norman would then also be in favor of eliminating the micro-management from the state level? Having taught in other states as well as here, I have not experienced the equal to Utah in micromanagement of local classrooms, policies, testing, and imperial decree of every nature.

    "Second, the Utah Legislature has declared: "It is the public policy of this state that parents retain the fundamental right and duty to exercise primary control over the care, supervision, upbringing and education of their children.""

    I agree. Local school board control is of paramount importance in quality schools. Can the elected and appointed officials relinquish control? I doubt it. It is not in the nature of elected officials to do less, only to justify their appointment by requiring more.

    Respectfully yours,


  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    May 7, 2013 5:26 a.m.

    There are some outstanding home schooling programs available now so that a parent can home school their child and do a much better job than the public schools can. In which situation will a child get the training they need? One in which the parent is working with 2 or 3 children using online programs or sitting in a classroom with 33 other seven year olds? The state could save a lot of money if parents were encouraged to home school their children. Perhaps parents who home school their children could be paid just half of what the school gets. It would cost less and our children would be getting a better education.