I bet all the states mentioned by RK, as having paid the least amount of taxes,
would be happy to go for his deal, if they could also offload all the unfunded
federal mandates, and allow true market forces to govern what they spend on
labor and supplies for all state services. In other words, end payoffs to
LDS Liberal: I am not in total denial about the over use/abuse of
Anti-Depressant and PainKilling medications, On-Line pornography, and failure to
pay financial obligations. How did you assume that? Perhaps you are in denial
about how to help all those people. You can't help drug addicts, abusers,
porn addicts, etc. by telling them it isn't their fault, or creating a
special interest group to meet together often to discuss ways to get society
(the neighborhood) to accept their behavior as normal and list all the
grievances they have, and then appeal to the government(the neighborhood) to
take someone to court for various and sundry reasons. A neighbor that serves his
neighbor, the way Jesus suggested, doesn't solve his/her problems or
challenges as much he/she shows the neighbor how to do it him/her self,
something government can't do. A real neighbor offers real charity,not
psuedo (government)charity. We have far too many taxpayers that delegated
charity to government, patted themselves on the back,went back to their cushy
jobs, fenced in houses,and entitled children, and then probably promoted a
government program to take care of the poor.
bandersenSaint George, UTI don't see all those subgroups
around me. I just see regular people serving each other and doing the best they
can with what they got. That makes it a nice place to live. No one whining, no
one creating division, no one demanding their rights, just living. Nice
neighborhood!9:44 a.m. May 2, 2013============== In other words -- everybody is Just Like You!BTW - you are
in total denial about the over use/abuse of Anti-Depresant and PainKilling
medications, On-Line pornography, and failure to pay finacial obligations.Utah ranks higher than the "average" American in each of those
categories.All is NOT well in Zion, my friend.
LDS Liberal: Indeed! I would invite them, but your neighborhood doesn't
describe mine eactly. I do have the poor, the old, the young, the non-mormon,
the unemployed, the hispanic, the black, the women, and even some white anglo
saxon men (or did you just forget to mention them on purpose as being someone
not worth empathizing with). I don't know about the pot-smoking,
gay-lesbian, bullies, etc. because I figure that I will let them work out their
problems on their own unless they ask for help. Of course, wanting to protect my
children or other innocents from the influence of negative behaviors, I'd
shy away from inviting them into my home. Perhaps that is why my neighborhood is
different from yours. We pretty much take care of each other and everyone
pretty much has a set of values that everyone agrees upon. I don't see all
those subgroups around me. I just see regular people serving each other and
doing the best they can with what they got. That makes it a nice place to live.
No one whining, no one creating division, no one demanding their rights, just
living. Nice neighborhood!
@ RolandTouche'. Except you're intellectually fighting
windmills with several, consistent, ill-informed posters to the DN. They are
ammussing though, and it enlightens us to the challenges America faces with so
many uninformed citizens who form their opinions from Fox News or the Drudge
Report. Keep fighting the good battle though.
"GOP needs to stop trying to defeat Obama and focus on winning"Obama needs to stop trying to take over the US House in 2016 and get to work
solving the nation's problems.
Says Gerson: "At the end of eight years, Americans will probably be tired
of Obama and perhaps of liberalism." Could be, but remember capitalism
nearly collapsed in 2009. We are still in the grips of a dangerous global
recession. If capitalism finally tanks, not only will the electorate be tired
of liberalism, they will be tired of conservatism as well. We socialists are
ready to serve as an alternative.
My figures are federal taxes paid versus federal spending in a state. It is a
ratio, not a function of population. Look up the chart on the Economist's
website. Also, the welfare program (TANF) only consumes 1/2 of 1% of federal
spending, so that is completely irrelevant.
Roland.. Your numbers are meaningless! Of course states with the highest
population will pay more taxes because there are more people in those state to
pay taxes. What you are debating is baloney! PER CAPITA welfare spending is the
only accurate measure and it totally refutes your claims.
To Mountanman: The five states who pay the least in federal taxes in relation to
what they get back from the federal government are: New Mexico, Mississippi, W.
Virginia, Montana, and Alabama.The five states that receive the
least back from the feds in relation to the taxes they pay are: Delaware,
Minnesota, Illinois, Connecticut, and New York.Utah gets back more
than we pay although we are closer to the middle of the pack. With the exception
of New Mexico, it's pretty clear that it is the liberal states that support
the conservative states, and New Mexico has been quite conservative until very
recently.Source: The Economist (not a part of the liberal media)
Sad to say that there is nothing Repubs can do at this point to win! Fact is
they have lost the next generation of voters! Only hope is to let the crazies
run their course then come back to the middle and start over! Republican are
not going to see the white House for at least another 11 or 12 years, if then!
@ Roland Kayser. I hate to call you on your misinformation, again, but you are
dead wrong about liberals paying for conservative welfare. Its actually just the
opposite.Washington DC has the highest per capita welfare recipients in
the nation with Guam in second and California in 3rd place. Washington State is
4th. Mississippi is about 25th on the list and Utah is 49th. Please stop
To 1 conservative: Mr. Gerson was part of the Bush administration. He is an
active Republican trying to help the Republican party. To all
conservatives complaining about socialism and liberal welfare policies:
Let's pass a law that says that no state may get more in federal spending
than it pays in federal taxes. That should solve the problem, right? Except that
the big losers under that plan would be the southern states who tend to be the
most conservative, the big winners would be the Northeastern liberal states.It is liberals who pay for conservative welfare, not the other way
bandersenSaint George, UTLDS Liberal: Look around your neighborhood.
What does bring me together are the ways in which I can serve and support each
another as each makes his/her own journey, the way God intended. God has given
to us all or own path, and supporting my neighbor without dividing the
neighborhood into individual groups is counterproductive to unity and love.
Which neighborhood do you live? Not mine!12:32 p.m. May 1, 2013========= Great!Then I know you regularly invite
the poor, old, young, pot-smoking, NON-Mormon, illegal, unemployed, hispanic,
black, asian, gay/lesbian, women, over to your house regulary -- since that is
the neighborhood you claim to live in.FYI - I was blessed to live
in Seattle for 22 years, and that pretty much described MY neighborhood.It's also what made me the "Liberal" I am today.
Amnesty won't kill the republican party, but being seen as a racist party
will end our ability to win the presidency and maintain any hold on the senate
for years to come. Amensty under Rubios bill would likely give conseravtives
enough time to recruit in hispanic areas before they could vote which will
likely nullify any gain democrats might get out of the issue. Politics is
personal and if conservatives would reach out they would find welcoming arms.
Most hispanics share family values with the republican party and if our party
would focus on helping the family and stop kicking people out for not being 100%
libertarian than we could actually change the face of our socialist direction
and be more in line with our limited government ideals.
Prime example of GOP focus, nevermind the majority of American voters:"Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) revealed that some members of his party opposed
expanding background checks for gun sales recently because they didn't want
to "be seen helping the president."
First of all: the author of the article is a left-wing liberal that does
nothing but cheerlead for Obama. Folks like him try to give the Republican
party advice that isn't wanted or needed.Second: Wait until
the middle to upper middle class get their bill for "Obamacare" - they
won't be happy. THEY get to pay for healthcare for all the illegals, the
poor, and even some who aren't so poor.Third: Its quite
possible the Senate will be dominantly Republican after the 2014 elections.
That will make the Obama agendas more and more unlikely.I do agree
however, that IF a new amnesty bill is passed, it most likely WILL end the
Repub. party. They won't be able to recover.
@patsy"...I hate to say it but I doubt there is anything the GOP
can do to win elections anymore...".The GOP will continue to do
what it has always done to manipulate low information GOP voters in order to win
I hate to say it but I doubt there is anything the GOP can do to win elections
anymore given the low information and hand out mentality of the majority of
voters. America has fallen into a culture of lazy socialism and like the now
bankrupt countries of western Europe who have found socialism to be a death
sentence America will soon realize the same bleak future. Take cities like NY,
LA, Chicago, Detroit and Phili ... these are nothing but stink holes of welfare
and liberal socialism and they comprise a HUGE chunk of the electorate. Can the
GOP do anything at all to attract people who just want free stuff?
LDS Liberal: Look around your neighborhood. Do you wander around your
neighborhood singling out 'women, minorities, old people, young people,
union workers, gays, federal employees, environmentalists...' and raising
the flag of equality, interviewing each to find out where they have been hurt,
wounded, offended, or denigrated, and then pull them all together to try and fix
the problem. No, you don't, because you would all be looking at each
other. Any efforts to pull together special interests groups would turn into a
dog fight with all being the loser in the end. This nation is a neighborhood,
but my vision of a neighborhood thrives on the diversity being a strength rather
a weakness. I don't need to divide my neighborhood into independent
parties to show how different I am. That is already assumed. What does bring
me together are the ways in which I can serve and support each another as each
makes his/her own journey, the way God intended. God has given to us all or own
path, and supporting my neighbor without dividing the neighborhood into
individual groups is counterproductive to unity and love. Which neighborhood do
you live? Not mine!
I have to admit I expected the same old, same old, I am pleased to see at least
one person that seems to understand that it’s not that the American people
do not understand the conservative point of view but rather that that view no
longer speaks to the American people. You do not have to become liberals but it
is time to face the modern reality of your electorate if you wish to remain
Reagan's BIG tent GOP is not even a pup tent anymore.It's more
like a tattered handkerchief with a large hole in it.Women,
Minorities, Old People, Young People, Unions workers, Gays, Federal Employees,
Enviromentalists, and else with a dog in the fight is left completely out of the
GOP.In fact - they are even deemed the "enemies" by the GOP.Good luck winning ANYTHING with an attitude like that.America is great because of it's diversity.It is the great melting
pot.Everyone is equal, everyone is valued, everyone is needed.The GOP and it's ZERO tolerence, and NO compromising is the anti-thesis
to everything that makes America great.Good riddance.
Those that don't learn from history are likely to repeat it. The GOP will
not win a Presidental election until it embraces some moderate positions and
supports mainstream candidates. Does anyone actually believe Dwight Eisenhowser
or Teddy Roosevelt would even consider themselves Reepublicans in this day and
age? Highly unlikely. Just ask those under 30 what their perception is of the
GOP and they'll tell you rich, white, religous people who only care about
people like themselves.
Although i agree with the premise, His suggestions for fixing the problem are
bad ideas. The Gun legislation was one of those peices that crosses line as far
as principle. Republicans Should never vote to put more power in the hands of
the executive and they should be appalled about executive orders. Immigration
is an area that the republicans need some sense knocked into them and if this
last election wasn't proof enough just wait until all of these illegals
have children in the US who with US citizenship grow up and start voting. THEY
WILL VOTE OUT ALL CONSERVATIVES and the republican party won't have a leg
to stand on at that point. The hispanic vote just needs to show up in numbers
in places like texas and Arizona and the Republican party will be finished.
Just a note: A nation divided against itself cannot stand. Although many would
have you believe that it is about Democrat versus Republican, it is not. It is
about God and his principles versus anything that takes our nation away from
Him. The Democrats and Republicans will continue to squabble and vilify there
opponents, while ordinary, freedom loving, God-fearing Americans will forge
ahead promoting policies that support goodness, God, marriage, family, work,
Constitutional principles and thrift. That mantle to do so will come not from a
party, but will shape the party that wants to lead. I guess we will see which
one wants to do so? If it isn't obvious now, it will never be so, that
what has come across as 'leadership' is not leadership at all. Both
parties have failed the American people, or should I say, both parties have done
exactly what their constituents wanted! Perhaps they are ready for a change.
Too bad Mr. Gerson holds a minority view within the Republican party.
"Some conservative Republicans — convinced that the only duty of an
opposition party is to oppose — seem pleased with this turn of events.
They would urge their party to finish the job by killing immigration reform and
halting budget negotiations.This approach lacks only one element: an
actual strategy."And tbat about sums it up. To many Americans,
ever many conservatives, the Republican party has become just about doing
nothing, maintaining the status quo. They provide little to vote for... rather
a vote for a Republican is a vote for someone who will vote no.To
many, this is enough. But when the country is in search of
"leadership", this falls way short of what will propel the party into
something the people view as making America competitive for the next 100 years.