Immigrants 'deported' to curb hospital costs

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  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    May 1, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    If only more were. We have illegals all over the country demanding decades of dialysis, long term care, organ transplants, ongoing mental illness care. We can't afford to be the welfare office for the world. Anyone wanting to contribute their legally gotten gains is free to do so- go for it. Obama's illegal aliens aunt is still sucking funds. From illegally living in government subsidized housing to "legally" living there + receiving a "free to her" check, health care, utilities subsidizes.. End it yesterday.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    April 29, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    I'm curious as to why the deseret news serves up a steady flow of these stories about illegal immigrants who are in some kind of bind.
    It feels like propaganda to try to encourage readers to become more accepting of illegal immigration. It feels as if they have been told by someone to "put a human face on the issue."
    The other strange thing is that even though this comment of mine is civil and in compliance with the rules of this forum it will likely be censored and not posted. That has happened to me several times. Very disappointing.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 29, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    EMTALA was passed by Congress forbidding hospitals from barring treatment or releasing unstable patients.
    But like all things Washington it became an unfunded mandate.
    Hospitals in ethnic enclaves closed their doors because of charity care and unpaid bills from EMTALA.
    And they weren't even close. The costs of EMTALA were $4 BILLION and the reimbursements were less than $600 million. (It's OK. Doctors are rich. They can pick up the slack. This is just another way to redistribute the wealth.)
    In similar fashion SCAAP was created to reimburse prisons for housing illegal aliens. There's the mandate...and then there's the actual reimbursement.
    Accounting never was government's forte.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    April 29, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    part of immigration reform should include changing the laws that require hospitals to treat illegal immigrants.

  • DGDENTON Gainesville, TX
    April 29, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Hunt said it better than I did. Thank, Hunt

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    NEW EARTH (Port.) The life boats are full, we have had it up over our ears. Google Immigration Gumballs and you will get educated. Once again, Immigrants are immigrants, Illegals are illegal aliens/migrants. Viva LEGAL Immigration.

  • DGDENTON Gainesville, TX
    April 29, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Terra Nova. Yes the life boat is full and yes I am a redneck and proud of it. It amazes me that "derogatory" names can be thrown about by the "sensitive" and "tolerant". The self righteous are the first to recoil in horror when the "N" word is used, but when it comes to those who disagree with you, you employ names such as "redneck", "hill-billy", cowboy, etc. with the intend to denigrate. This hypocrisy only indicates lack of character. Stick to the facts and forget about the name calling.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    'Nor (unfortunately) is it the end of small-minded, redneck, paranoid-xenophobic citizens blathering on about their dearly held prejudices.'

    Hmmm...when you don't have a real leg to stand on, just personally attack the messenger in an effort to disregard any valid point they may have, right? This is yet another example of a typical tactic used by the pro illegal crowd when their arguments can't hold up under the magnifying glass known as fact and reason.
    What I find sad is when people choose to not inform themselves on the issues and instead blindly fall into the compassion barrel of kool-aid being fed to them by an agenda driven media.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    When I read the story I wondered how they could deport an Immigrant. Then reading more I find that they are NOT Immigrants but illegal aliens. Deseret News and most of the media just can't get it straight. One more time=== Immigrants stand in line and get a visa to immigrate to the USA. These are historically known as IMMIGRANTS. Illegal migrants/aliens do not stand in line or go through the immigration process but merely sneak into the country, steal a ID and go to work and are known as illegal aliens/migrants or whatever the PC crowd wishes to call them. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    April 29, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    As a US physician living overseas, I'll tell you that other countries would do the same--they will either drop them on a military hospital which will send them back to the US, or charter a flight to the US (and give the bill to the patient).

    There is nothing wrong with stabilizing a patient and sending them back to their country of citizenship for treatment. Simply living in another country doesn't give you the right to free healthcare when their own citizens have to pay for it.

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    April 29, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    If I stole a million dollars would you let me keep it because I can use it or return it to the owner?

    Socail justice is a guise for communism. We all know how that worked out in every country in the world. Except that is for the power mongers.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    April 29, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Illegals are not "immigrants", and our country's economy simply cannot afford to take care of educating and paying for the cost of illegals who hop our border and sponge off our system anymore.

    It's high time we the LEGAL citizens sent a message to Washington that we will not accept amnesty for illegals, and we cannot pay for people here illegally and their offspring.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    April 29, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    It's interesting to take note of what information was left out of this story.
    1. What caused the accident with the truck?
    2. What other injuries did they sustain beside being in a coma that may have affected their recovery?
    3. What did the hospitals and care facilities in Mexico fail to do that would have left them in better shape after their rehabilitation?

    As the story reads right now it gives the impression that Iowa Methodist did not spend enough money that someone else would have had to cover because they simply loaded them on a private plane with a medical team to care for them during transport and sent them home to a hospital in Mexico.
    How long would it have taken for their family to obtain permission to travel to Iowa to be with them? How would they have paid their expenses while here and could they have paid the higher costs for rehab in the US?

  • PhotoSponge nampa, ID
    April 29, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    PLEASE....stop calling them "immigrants." It's an offense to me and my ancestors who came here LEGALLY! They are "illegal aliens" and should be sent home. So I see we are not getting any real news out of Deseret News. Am I surprised? No. You have succombed to the liberal pressure to become incorrectly, politically correct. No backbone.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    April 29, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    "The commentators graduated from government supported FREE public schools. Could healthcare work like schools? Can't we be compassionate AND wise?" They may be "free" to parasites like you but I have spent thousands of dollars on the education system. There is no free. Someone, somewhere has to pay for it. I also know that illegals are abusing the school system, too. They come to register and they all know about free lunch, free dinner,etc. And you may think I'm a redneck for not supporting illegal aliens but since it is my tax dollars, I have that right.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 29, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    Recently I was in a hospital out-patient waiting room with my daughter for a test she needed. I won't name the hospital, except to say they had a emergency room. Waiting with us was a hispanic woman and her 2 kids. My appointment time came and went. I waited 2.5 hrs. and in that time I saw several hospital Drs. and technicians come and talk to the woman to tell her that "the test wasn't needed", and even if they did the test "they had no one to interpret the results" at the present time.
    I heard various snippets of the conversation like that.

    Long story short, based on what I overheard: the woman came in through the emergency room and DEMANDED her daughter receive both an MRI, and a CT scan. (approx 9600.00 of tests) The hospital didn't think it was needed but had no way to FORCIBLY remove the woman.
    The hospital called me back the next day to apologize profusely, and I told them what I heard. They didn't deny what happened, so I'm sure I was correct in what I overheard.

    I left without the test (pre-authorized) BTW.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 29, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Here's what we do. When an American citizen is in need of health care abroad the US Embassy provides emergency funds for treatment. Then they settle up with the citizen.
    So, where's the Mexican Embassy on this issue.
    Pay the bill. Somebody's got to pay.
    There are horror stories about illegal aliens getting FOUR liver transplants or having 12 babies on our dime.
    AP needs to contact border hospitals like McAllen TX and hear about the free care given to people who deliberately come here for treatment.
    As other have noted, the Deseret News likes to run the pity pieces but ignores the impact on our own people.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    April 29, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    So... a couple of guys with jobs AND insurance are hit by a semi. They get treatment but long-term care payments are unclear. The hospital stabilizes them and flies them home after finding a hospital there that will take them for long-term care. One is left to assumes that their American insurance will continue to pay in Mexico.

    The news media reports this unusual story as a defacto deportation. That's good reporting and thought provoking. It is a difficult position for everyone involved.

    With a few exceptions, the comments rail on illegals, welfare and bewail the end of their deeply beloved Wal-Mart HDTV McCulture, sound the alarm on healthcare's demise as well as the American way of life - all the while alluding to the Titanic and over-full lifeboats. What? No mention of the Andrea Doria? Three-mile Island? The Alamo?

    Newsflash: The lifeboats are not full and America isn't the Titanic. Nor (unfortunately) is it the end of small-minded, redneck, paranoid-xenophobic citizens blathering on about their dearly held prejudices. The commentators graduated from government supported FREE public schools. Could healthcare work like schools? Can't we be compassionate AND wise?

  • Carson Provo, UT
    April 29, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Join NumbersUSA and let our elected leaders know that the majotity of Americans are against any form of Amnesty...It's time to fight back America!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    The biggest reason to oppose the newest immigration bill is that it provides all kinds of freebies to illegal trespassers, (including free healthcare due to their low incomes), while at the same time gives employers who have exploited illegals an amnesty.

    Utahs' congressional delegation will, hopefully, ALL vote against the latest amnesty bill. Those of you in other states SHOULD contact your delegation to urge them to vote NO.

    Never, in my life have I seen Congress have such little regard for its own citizens!

  • bossysheryl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Stories like this are incidentally why the "here by" date in the current Gang Of 8 Immigration Giveway of 2013? Is 2011.

    You need to call your senators TODAY and begin lobbying them to vote against that abomination of a bill.

  • Upson Downs Sandy, UT
    April 29, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    This is great news. The U.S. Taxpayer should not have to pay for Illegal Border Crossers medical treatment or any other social services they try to obtain.

  • FrankSegesman ,
    April 29, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Best story I have read in a month! Kudos to IOWA!!!!!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Note that they were deported to MEDICAL facilities in their home country, not dumped in the dirt across the border. That, AFTER being given a lot of treatment and in a stable condition.

    We should be proud of the compassion and treatment provided, not critical of the realities of costs versus benefits.

    Anyone who wants to pay for the continued care of illegal immigrants is welcome to do so, indeed should be REQUIRED to do so, and let those of us who think we have done more than our share already preserve our earnings to care for our own families and those we choose to voluntarily assist.

    Today is Monday. The traditional day for yet another heart rending tale of woe and guilt about illegal immigrants in the Deseret News. This is really getting old, and annoying, if not unjournalistic advocacy foisted off on subscribers as "news."

    How about some stories about Utah families who do without things they would like, or need, because their earnings are being confiscated to support others, or their medical bills are inflated to cover the cost of care given to those who do not pay for it?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    You're a passanger on the Titanic. It has sunk. You are in a safety boat that is filled to capacity. Any more passangers plucked from the waters will drown your boat and would sink the safety boat leaving not a single survivor.

    What do you do?

    Such is health care in America. It is not a right. People cannot provide Health Care for free. As more costs are passed on to insured, the cost of insurance will rise. More people will not be able to afford insurance.

    Come on, people, even Liberals HAVE to understand this. Right?????

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    When I was at the hospital last semester, there was a Mexican lady who had "coupons" for healthcare. She didn't speak a lick of English, and she was getting a procedure that costs the taxpayers a couple grand. Where does it end. Why do I work my butt off going to school, paying for my education, paying my taxes, and yet I still have to pay for those who are here illegally and/or do nothing for themselves?

  • AzTim Gilbert, AZ
    April 29, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Civil rights groups cry "They don't have advocates,..." They have no advocates, or no one to "speak on their behalf" because they are ILLEGAL. The problem isn't lack of advocacy, it's lack of legal citizenship. Enter legally and watch how quickly the benefits of advocacy mount.

  • happymomto9 Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 29, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    oh my word!
    600 in 5 years? that's 0.01% of the 6,000,000 here illegally.
    why isn't the company they were working for taking care of them?

    and who cares if the countries they are from are reluctant to take them back?! if they have committed a crime, there should be IMMEDIATE deportation.

  • mytymouse09 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 29, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    Thanks to Obamacare -- the "Affordable Care Act"! There are going to be many more issues concerning ACA that the Republicans tried to warn Congress and the nation about. I heard on the news this morning that jobs are going to be impacted with companies (including schools) laying off people because they cannot afford the "Affordable Care Act" costs. It is going to impact my insurance premiums, and yours, to pay for health care for the uninsured. We've just seen the tip of the iceberg, and we just may go down like the Titanic.

  • DGDENTON Gainesville, TX
    April 29, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    If someone is here illegally, they should be deported. The US is being compassionate to provide emergency care. We have no moral or legal responsibility to continue to care for the illegals who should never have been in the US. The cost is more that monetary. Our cultural values are also under attack.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    April 29, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    ""They don't have advocates, and they don't have people who will speak on their behalf," said Miami attorney John De Leon, who has been arguing such cases for a decade."

    Um, Mr. De Leon, it sounds like you are being their advocate.

  • dell San Antonio, TX
    April 29, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    In the course of one year, our hospital had two long term illegal immigrant patients, one was shot while robbing a store and the other injured in a car accident. The first spent 4 months in the hospital and was discharged to the court system and the other there close to a year on life support. The first likely cost to $1 million and the second probably more than $2 million. Part of the problem was that no long term care facilities will take the patients since they were here illegally and without insurance, but their home countries were also reluctant to accept them back. Very difficult situation for hospitals.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 29, 2013 5:07 a.m.

    The dismantling of the American health care system has begun. These reprehensible practices are just going to get worse when Obama Care kicks in fully next year. It cuts payments made to doctors and hospitals while at the same time requiring them to treat the indigent. The result is going to be huge insurance premium increases and soaring hospital/doctor costs on everyone else who, at least for now, can afford to pay their health care insurance premiums.

    All this is happening while the U.S. Congress is trying to exempt itself from Obama Care.

    If Obama Care is as great as many of these politicians told us; then why are those same people trying to exempt themselves from its tentacles?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 29, 2013 4:39 a.m.

    Re: "Doctors cannot expect hospitals to provide costly uncompensated care to patients indefinitely, the statement said."

    Just another in a long, long series of fully intended political consequences of Obamacare implementation -- drive hospitals out of legitimate business, forcing them into dependence on government largesse, and compliance with draconian socialized-medicine regulations, for their continued existence.

    Obama's real "legacy" -- the dismantling and destruction of the best health-care delivery system ever known.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    April 29, 2013 4:35 a.m.

    This is how it should be, deportation without the use of courts. This is not deportation at all, how can it be deportation when people are given a free ride home after an extended vacation? Not being charged with any crimes is no reason to put them in court so whats the problem with the process? Hospitals are not obligated to give free care to any patients, legal or illegal, they follow the money.

    The only way advocates can get illegal aliens into court and involve the ACLU, La Raza, or DOJ, is to charge them with a crime but if we deport them without being charged with a crime then their is no refuting the actions of the hospitals or the government of America or cause for trials. And this is why they are mad and can't stop the actions of those being sent home.

    They refuse to be identified who they are and we can't prove who they are and its better than jail.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:56 a.m.

    It's not right to force the public to pay for people here illegally. Taxes, higher premiums should not be forced up on us, when some Americans are doing without medical care.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    And the lawsuit goes to show the sense of entitlement to this country and everything in it that we see with so many illegal aliens. And yes, Associated Press, that is what I will call them -- even if you choose instead to inaccurately and DISHONESTLY refer to them as "immigrants."

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 12:23 a.m.

    Let these Social Justice attorneys PERSONALLY pay for the long-term rehab of these illegal aliens and let's see how long their hypocritical mouths keep moving.