If only more were. We have illegals all over the country demanding decades of
dialysis, long term care, organ transplants, ongoing mental illness care. We
can't afford to be the welfare office for the world. Anyone wanting to
contribute their legally gotten gains is free to do so- go for it. Obama's
illegal aliens aunt is still sucking funds. From illegally living in government
subsidized housing to "legally" living there + receiving a "free to
her" check, health care, utilities subsidizes.. End it yesterday.
I'm curious as to why the deseret news serves up a steady flow of these
stories about illegal immigrants who are in some kind of bind. It feels
like propaganda to try to encourage readers to become more accepting of illegal
immigration. It feels as if they have been told by someone to "put a human
face on the issue."The other strange thing is that even though this
comment of mine is civil and in compliance with the rules of this forum it will
likely be censored and not posted. That has happened to me several times. Very
EMTALA was passed by Congress forbidding hospitals from barring treatment or
releasing unstable patients.But like all things Washington it became an
unfunded mandate.Hospitals in ethnic enclaves closed their doors because
of charity care and unpaid bills from EMTALA.And they weren't even
close. The costs of EMTALA were $4 BILLION and the reimbursements were less
than $600 million. (It's OK. Doctors are rich. They can pick up the
slack. This is just another way to redistribute the wealth.)In similar
fashion SCAAP was created to reimburse prisons for housing illegal aliens.
There's the mandate...and then there's the actual reimbursement.Accounting never was government's forte.
part of immigration reform should include changing the laws that require
hospitals to treat illegal immigrants.
Hunt said it better than I did. Thank, Hunt
NEW EARTH (Port.) The life boats are full, we have had it up over our ears.
Google Immigration Gumballs and you will get educated. Once again, Immigrants
are immigrants, Illegals are illegal aliens/migrants. Viva LEGAL Immigration.
Terra Nova. Yes the life boat is full and yes I am a redneck and proud of it.
It amazes me that "derogatory" names can be thrown about by the
"sensitive" and "tolerant". The self righteous are the first to
recoil in horror when the "N" word is used, but when it comes to those
who disagree with you, you employ names such as "redneck",
"hill-billy", cowboy, etc. with the intend to denigrate. This
hypocrisy only indicates lack of character. Stick to the facts and forget
about the name calling.
'Nor (unfortunately) is it the end of small-minded, redneck,
paranoid-xenophobic citizens blathering on about their dearly held
prejudices.'Hmmm...when you don't have a real leg to stand
on, just personally attack the messenger in an effort to disregard any valid
point they may have, right? This is yet another example of a typical tactic used
by the pro illegal crowd when their arguments can't hold up under the
magnifying glass known as fact and reason.What I find sad is when people
choose to not inform themselves on the issues and instead blindly fall into the
compassion barrel of kool-aid being fed to them by an agenda driven media.
When I read the story I wondered how they could deport an Immigrant. Then
reading more I find that they are NOT Immigrants but illegal aliens. Deseret
News and most of the media just can't get it straight. One more time===
Immigrants stand in line and get a visa to immigrate to the USA. These are
historically known as IMMIGRANTS. Illegal migrants/aliens do not stand in line
or go through the immigration process but merely sneak into the country, steal a
ID and go to work and are known as illegal aliens/migrants or whatever the PC
crowd wishes to call them. Viva LEGAL immigration.
As a US physician living overseas, I'll tell you that other countries would
do the same--they will either drop them on a military hospital which will send
them back to the US, or charter a flight to the US (and give the bill to the
patient). There is nothing wrong with stabilizing a patient and
sending them back to their country of citizenship for treatment. Simply living
in another country doesn't give you the right to free healthcare when their
own citizens have to pay for it.
If I stole a million dollars would you let me keep it because I can use it or
return it to the owner?Socail justice is a guise for communism. We
all know how that worked out in every country in the world. Except that is for
the power mongers.
Illegals are not "immigrants", and our country's economy simply
cannot afford to take care of educating and paying for the cost of illegals who
hop our border and sponge off our system anymore.It's high time
we the LEGAL citizens sent a message to Washington that we will not accept
amnesty for illegals, and we cannot pay for people here illegally and their
It's interesting to take note of what information was left out of this
story.1. What caused the accident with the truck?2. What other
injuries did they sustain beside being in a coma that may have affected their
recovery?3. What did the hospitals and care facilities in Mexico fail to
do that would have left them in better shape after their rehabilitation?As the story reads right now it gives the impression that Iowa Methodist
did not spend enough money that someone else would have had to cover because
they simply loaded them on a private plane with a medical team to care for them
during transport and sent them home to a hospital in Mexico.How long would
it have taken for their family to obtain permission to travel to Iowa to be with
them? How would they have paid their expenses while here and could they have
paid the higher costs for rehab in the US?
PLEASE....stop calling them "immigrants." It's an offense to me
and my ancestors who came here LEGALLY! They are "illegal aliens" and
should be sent home. So I see we are not getting any real news out of Deseret
News. Am I surprised? No. You have succombed to the liberal pressure to
become incorrectly, politically correct. No backbone.
"The commentators graduated from government supported FREE public schools.
Could healthcare work like schools? Can't we be compassionate AND
wise?" They may be "free" to parasites like you but I have spent
thousands of dollars on the education system. There is no free. Someone,
somewhere has to pay for it. I also know that illegals are abusing the school
system, too. They come to register and they all know about free lunch, free
dinner,etc. And you may think I'm a redneck for not supporting illegal
aliens but since it is my tax dollars, I have that right.
Recently I was in a hospital out-patient waiting room with my daughter for a
test she needed. I won't name the hospital, except to say they had a
emergency room. Waiting with us was a hispanic woman and her 2 kids. My
appointment time came and went. I waited 2.5 hrs. and in that time I saw
several hospital Drs. and technicians come and talk to the woman to tell her
that "the test wasn't needed", and even if they did the test
"they had no one to interpret the results" at the present time.I
heard various snippets of the conversation like that.Long story
short, based on what I overheard: the woman came in through the emergency room
and DEMANDED her daughter receive both an MRI, and a CT scan. (approx 9600.00 of
tests) The hospital didn't think it was needed but had no way to FORCIBLY
remove the woman.The hospital called me back the next day to apologize
profusely, and I told them what I heard. They didn't deny what happened,
so I'm sure I was correct in what I overheard.I left without
the test (pre-authorized) BTW.
Here's what we do. When an American citizen is in need of health care
abroad the US Embassy provides emergency funds for treatment. Then they settle
up with the citizen.So, where's the Mexican Embassy on this issue.Pay the bill. Somebody's got to pay.There are horror stories about
illegal aliens getting FOUR liver transplants or having 12 babies on our
dime.AP needs to contact border hospitals like McAllen TX and hear about
the free care given to people who deliberately come here for treatment.As
other have noted, the Deseret News likes to run the pity pieces but ignores the
impact on our own people.
So... a couple of guys with jobs AND insurance are hit by a semi. They get
treatment but long-term care payments are unclear. The hospital stabilizes them
and flies them home after finding a hospital there that will take them for
long-term care. One is left to assumes that their American insurance will
continue to pay in Mexico. The news media reports this unusual story
as a defacto deportation. That's good reporting and thought provoking. It
is a difficult position for everyone involved.With a few exceptions,
the comments rail on illegals, welfare and bewail the end of their deeply
beloved Wal-Mart HDTV McCulture, sound the alarm on healthcare's demise as
well as the American way of life - all the while alluding to the Titanic and
over-full lifeboats. What? No mention of the Andrea Doria? Three-mile Island?
The Alamo?Newsflash: The lifeboats are not full and America
isn't the Titanic. Nor (unfortunately) is it the end of small-minded,
redneck, paranoid-xenophobic citizens blathering on about their dearly held
prejudices. The commentators graduated from government supported FREE public
schools. Could healthcare work like schools? Can't we be compassionate
Join NumbersUSA and let our elected leaders know that the majotity of Americans
are against any form of Amnesty...It's time to fight back America!
The biggest reason to oppose the newest immigration bill is that it provides all
kinds of freebies to illegal trespassers, (including free healthcare due to
their low incomes), while at the same time gives employers who have exploited
illegals an amnesty.Utahs' congressional delegation will,
hopefully, ALL vote against the latest amnesty bill. Those of you in other
states SHOULD contact your delegation to urge them to vote NO.Never,
in my life have I seen Congress have such little regard for its own citizens!
Stories like this are incidentally why the "here by" date in the current
Gang Of 8 Immigration Giveway of 2013? Is 2011. You need to call
your senators TODAY and begin lobbying them to vote against that abomination of
This is great news. The U.S. Taxpayer should not have to pay for Illegal Border
Crossers medical treatment or any other social services they try to obtain.
Best story I have read in a month! Kudos to IOWA!!!!!
Note that they were deported to MEDICAL facilities in their home country, not
dumped in the dirt across the border. That, AFTER being given a lot of
treatment and in a stable condition.We should be proud of the
compassion and treatment provided, not critical of the realities of costs versus
benefits.Anyone who wants to pay for the continued care of illegal
immigrants is welcome to do so, indeed should be REQUIRED to do so, and let
those of us who think we have done more than our share already preserve our
earnings to care for our own families and those we choose to voluntarily
assist.Today is Monday. The traditional day for yet another heart
rending tale of woe and guilt about illegal immigrants in the Deseret News.
This is really getting old, and annoying, if not unjournalistic advocacy foisted
off on subscribers as "news." How about some stories about
Utah families who do without things they would like, or need, because their
earnings are being confiscated to support others, or their medical bills are
inflated to cover the cost of care given to those who do not pay for it?
You're a passanger on the Titanic. It has sunk. You are in a safety boat
that is filled to capacity. Any more passangers plucked from the waters will
drown your boat and would sink the safety boat leaving not a single survivor.What do you do?Such is health care in America. It is not a
right. People cannot provide Health Care for free. As more costs are passed on
to insured, the cost of insurance will rise. More people will not be able to
afford insurance.Come on, people, even Liberals HAVE to understand
When I was at the hospital last semester, there was a Mexican lady who had
"coupons" for healthcare. She didn't speak a lick of English, and
she was getting a procedure that costs the taxpayers a couple grand. Where does
it end. Why do I work my butt off going to school, paying for my education,
paying my taxes, and yet I still have to pay for those who are here illegally
and/or do nothing for themselves?
Civil rights groups cry "They don't have advocates,..." They have
no advocates, or no one to "speak on their behalf" because they are
ILLEGAL. The problem isn't lack of advocacy, it's lack of legal
citizenship. Enter legally and watch how quickly the benefits of advocacy mount.
oh my word!600 in 5 years? that's 0.01% of the 6,000,000 here
illegally.why isn't the company they were working for taking care of
them?and who cares if the countries they are from are reluctant to
take them back?! if they have committed a crime, there should be IMMEDIATE
Thanks to Obamacare -- the "Affordable Care Act"! There are going to be
many more issues concerning ACA that the Republicans tried to warn Congress and
the nation about. I heard on the news this morning that jobs are going to be
impacted with companies (including schools) laying off people because they
cannot afford the "Affordable Care Act" costs. It is going to impact my
insurance premiums, and yours, to pay for health care for the uninsured.
We've just seen the tip of the iceberg, and we just may go down like the
If someone is here illegally, they should be deported. The US is being
compassionate to provide emergency care. We have no moral or legal
responsibility to continue to care for the illegals who should never have been
in the US. The cost is more that monetary. Our cultural values are also under
""They don't have advocates, and they don't have people who
will speak on their behalf," said Miami attorney John De Leon, who has been
arguing such cases for a decade."Um, Mr. De Leon, it sounds like
you are being their advocate.
In the course of one year, our hospital had two long term illegal immigrant
patients, one was shot while robbing a store and the other injured in a car
accident. The first spent 4 months in the hospital and was discharged to the
court system and the other there close to a year on life support. The first
likely cost to $1 million and the second probably more than $2 million. Part of
the problem was that no long term care facilities will take the patients since
they were here illegally and without insurance, but their home countries were
also reluctant to accept them back. Very difficult situation for hospitals.
The dismantling of the American health care system has begun. These
reprehensible practices are just going to get worse when Obama Care kicks in
fully next year. It cuts payments made to doctors and hospitals while at the
same time requiring them to treat the indigent. The result is going to be huge
insurance premium increases and soaring hospital/doctor costs on everyone else
who, at least for now, can afford to pay their health care insurance
premiums.All this is happening while the U.S. Congress is trying to
exempt itself from Obama Care.If Obama Care is as great as many of
these politicians told us; then why are those same people trying to exempt
themselves from its tentacles?
Re: "Doctors cannot expect hospitals to provide costly uncompensated care to
patients indefinitely, the statement said."Just another in a
long, long series of fully intended political consequences of Obamacare
implementation -- drive hospitals out of legitimate business, forcing them into
dependence on government largesse, and compliance with draconian
socialized-medicine regulations, for their continued existence.Obama's real "legacy" -- the dismantling and destruction of the
best health-care delivery system ever known.
This is how it should be, deportation without the use of courts. This is not
deportation at all, how can it be deportation when people are given a free ride
home after an extended vacation? Not being charged with any crimes is no reason
to put them in court so whats the problem with the process? Hospitals are not
obligated to give free care to any patients, legal or illegal, they follow the
money.The only way advocates can get illegal aliens into court and
involve the ACLU, La Raza, or DOJ, is to charge them with a crime but if we
deport them without being charged with a crime then their is no refuting the
actions of the hospitals or the government of America or cause for trials. And
this is why they are mad and can't stop the actions of those being sent
home.They refuse to be identified who they are and we can't
prove who they are and its better than jail.
It's not right to force the public to pay for people here illegally. Taxes,
higher premiums should not be forced up on us, when some Americans are doing
without medical care.
And the lawsuit goes to show the sense of entitlement to this country and
everything in it that we see with so many illegal aliens. And yes, Associated
Press, that is what I will call them -- even if you choose instead to
inaccurately and DISHONESTLY refer to them as "immigrants."
Let these Social Justice attorneys PERSONALLY pay for the long-term rehab of
these illegal aliens and let's see how long their hypocritical mouths keep