Teachers not to blame

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  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    April 29, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    I like the common core and Obamacare analogy. Of course blame might be with both D's and R's. Now let's take healthcare. I don't think doing the status quo is much the answer. I mean health care was out of control before Obamacare was around, wasn't it? In reality it's in a crisis and here came Obamacare, not sure it is the solution but let's also face the reality that healthcare isn't okay as is or as it was before Obamacare. As for education, I won't say it was in that good of shape before the common core came along. Now like Obamacare we don't really know the final outcome but for many it looks dubious. But I think staying the course in education (like healthcare), especially in Utah, is a scary proposition...

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    April 29, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    After reading the comments I had to reread the letter.
    Good luck in finding out how to teach.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    We don't need a common core since all of our kids won't want to work or live anywhere but here where the wages are (gulp) eleventh lowest in the country and teacher pay is the lowest (so much for a union). Not to worry though the REAL problem is that the mean Feds want to push more stringent requirements on our kids. Shame on them!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    April 29, 2013 2:54 p.m.


    Just to be clear, "the Left Coast" has more people than the deep south. You mentioned "NY, NJ, MA, and the Rust Belt". The Rust Belt is not a clearly defined place, but generally speaking, the states that would make it up and the others you cite have populations between 6.5 and 19.4 million.

    But, on a per capita basis, the highest food stamp usage is (mostly) in the south. Of the traditionally southern states, only Virginia and North Carolina have usage rates lower than the US. This is according to a recent WSJ article.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    I did not know Bill and Hillary, Joe Biden, John Kerry, or Harry Reid were republicans. The resolution backed by Reid, Biden, Clinton, Kerry and other Democratic Senate leaders also claimed that "the risk that the current Iraqi regime will employ those wmds to launch a surprise attack against the United States or distribute them to those that would. Note Biden was on the committee to determine the possession of WMDs.

    "Hilarious talk about low information voters when it was republicans that though Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction"

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    Re: "Hilarious talk about low[-]information voters when it was [R]epublicans that though [sic] Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction . . . ."

    That's not-so-hilarious liberal sophistry.

    EVERYONE, Democrat and Republican, alike -- including all the current Democrat leadership, the national intelligence community, and all our allies -- thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. He told us he did. The best national and international intelligence told us he did. And, he had possessed and used them in the way-too-recent past to discount that universally accepted intelligence.

    Most tellingly, we found large quantities of chemical weapons of mass destruction when we entered Iraq.

    Confused liberal bleating, notwithstanding, suggesting "Bush lied" or that he was somehow irresponsible, remains either inexcusable ignorance or disingenuous sophistry.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    Wow, I can smell the venom all the way through my firewall. There's a lot of hate on this board for teachers and unions.

    You would have to go back to 18th century Ireland and talk to a protestant to hear that kind of hate for unions.

    Hilarious talk about low information voters when it was republicans that though Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was the mastermind of 9/11.

    The also still think Reagan was financially responsible.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Maverick speaks like a true progressive liberal elitist. His education and opinions far outweigh anyone he disagrees with. He makes generalization and comments to denigrate his opposition, knowing full well he is making false statements to gain his ilks support. I like Jon W. resent your insinuation that my degrees are not an education and my providing for my family is somehow not productive.

    The Maxwell Poll has detailed information about welfare use. The data showed a plurality of voters supported Democrats. ...in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

    You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    Re: "Sorry repubs, but education is the future . . . ."

    If only. Nice attempt to animate your low-information liberal base, however.

    Not a word is true, but when has that ever stopped committed liberal propagandists?

    Common Core will destroy education, just as surely as Obamacare destroyed health care. The highly illustrative fact that they're still making it up as they determine what they can get away with, can't be a surprise to those following UEA/NEA efforts to foist this abomination on us.

    And, while we're talking producers and takers, note that the Left Coast, alone, has more food stamp recipients than the Deep South, combined. Throw in NY, NJ, MA, and the Rust Belt, and they triple the totals in the Deep South. Utah, of course has one of the lowest rates in the Nation.

    The future of Utah education is, indeed being decided these days, however.

    Whether it remains a bulwark against anti-American lies/left-wing rhetoric, or becomes a Democrat, trade-union tool, producing nothing but low information voters, is up to us.

  • Jon W. Murray, UT
    April 29, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    So 60-70% of Utah residents are on welfare and food stamps, including me? I never knew! I thought the Bachelor's Degree and my subsequent 30+ years of gainful employment were what had helped my wife and me to raise and support my family. Now I know that in fact I hated education all along, never got one, and I'm a welfare recipient! Thanks, Maverick!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 29, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Don't expect much sympathy from the party which hates and attacks education on a daily basis. These folks are so critical of education because they just couldn't cut it in the classroom. They have now become welfare recipients. Takers.

    See, in our country you have producers and takers. There are those who have obtained an education and have become productive members of society. Then, you have those who never received an education, aren't productive members of society, and bash education at every opportunity. This is what the GOP has become. When you look at a map of welfare recipients, you will see that the deep south is the largest taker of entitlements like welfare and food stamps. This is the GOP's base. They hate education.

    Utah, is no different. Utah is one of the greatest taker states. Hence, why you see many on here bashing education. It is like that pretty girl that they could never get! So they have become bitter and bash education at every opportunity.

    Sorry repubs, but education is the future, more "shock and awe" wars and bank bailouts is not.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 29, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    The Department of Education???? What an oxymoron!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 29, 2013 5:02 a.m.

    Re: "Parents and children are hurting, but blame is not to be placed on teachers . . . ."

    No, we wouldn't want to do that.

    We were doing fine without Common Core. Then UEA/NEA extorted Utah compliance with its mandates. Now, predictably, parents and children are suffering.

    But no, we shouldn't blame teachers or their gritty, greedy trade union.

    This is just sad.