Tempers flare at Senate immigration hearing

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 22, 2013 6:45 p.m.

    Our immigration policies are like shooting our country in the foot, or perhaps allowing a Trojan horse in.

    Unfortunately, we don't have the leadership to stop it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 22, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    Obviously they are already here.. and obviously they are already breaking the laws. So I think it's ludicrus for Democrats to keep saying that "If they have broken any laws they will not be considered for citizenship". OBVIOUSLY they are already breaking our laws EVERY DAY they live here and work here without a legal SS#!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 22, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    The laws dealing with immigration refer to them as alien. From the dictionary

    1. (Law) a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
    2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
    3. (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial
    1. unnaturalized; foreign
    2. having foreign allegiance
    3. unfamiliar; strange an alien quality in a work of art
    4. (postpositive and foll by to) repugnant or opposed (to) war is alien to his philosophy
    5. (in science fiction) of or from another world

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 22, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    The US Congress is a bunch of spoiled, whiney, brats in suits that can't wait to put someone else down as in their view it elevatesd themselves. (See, I just did it true to their form.)

    Nothing they do surprises me, except doing anything correctly for the right reasons, becoming statesmen instead of politicaians, would truly be surprising and a breath of fresh air.

    But alas, we keep sending them back to Washington. (Insert "Send in the clowns" music here.)

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 22, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    what do you mean if? do you really think they are not already here? do you thiknthey wil all just cross back over the border if this law does ot pass?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 22, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    @Claudio, increase their wage to $20 and hour (it will raise the price of the avocado 7%) and the workers will be there. There are many jobs just as labor intensive. Agriculture workers make up less than 10% of those here illegally.

    @2 bits
    The Democrats have claimed that the law will not allow people convicted id theft, or social security fraud or 1-9 fraud? Our government has not convicted those here illegally for decades on those felonies.

    Remember 9/11 and the fact that the majority were here on expired visas? We can't trust our government to run the immigration department through any administration unchecked.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 22, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    If they are already here and already working... then they are breaking our law (and won't get citizenship in this bill). You can't work in the United States without paying taxes (unless you and your employer are breaking the law and paying you under the table). And you can't pay tazes unless you have a SS#. And you can't get a SS# unless you go to a dealer who sells illegal documentation, or steal someone else's identy and their SS#.

    People currently commiting identity theft and tax fraud will not be given citisenship through this bill (at least that's what Democrats promised)... people commiting identity theft will be deported and not given a path to citizensip.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    April 22, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Re: Say No to BO

    "It's funny how they can stack the deck with witnesses who agree with them."

    Kind of like discussing funding women's birth control but refusing to hear from a single woman? Agreed, both parties play politics.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    April 22, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    Re: Fitness Freak

    The people you refer to as "aliens" are already here and already working. Do you have some image in your head of 11-12 million people all sitting underground somewhere waiting for their status to change so they can come out of their hideout?

    Here's another hint: the employers of these folks don't want to hire citizens for the same jobs. It's more expensive to do so. Find me 11-12 million citizens who will pick avocados for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week in all kinds of weather with nary a complaint, as well as the employers who will willingly hire them and I'll happily agree to deport everyone here without proper documentation. Until then, I think we ought to find a solution to the problem that will actually, you know, work. The Senate bill is a good one.

  • The.Canuck Tooele, UT
    April 22, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    @Fitness Freak

    When has the Senate, Congress or President for that matter ever done something wise in the last 30 years?

    We are in a recession and the economic numbers are being played with to not reveal it. Unemployment %, GDP growth etc. All are pawns to be played by politicians now.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 22, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Senator Schumer has a way of attacking people who give testimony contrary to his own opinion.
    I remember a man by the name of Kris Kobach who expressed concern about Homeland Security's ability to conduct background checks on illegal aliens seeking amnesty. That was April of 2009.
    Schumer attacked him as one opposed to amnesty who would never be satisfied.
    He never did address the concern over background checks.
    And of the eight people called to testify that day, Kobach was the only one not gung-ho about amnesty. It's funny how they can stack the deck with witnesses who agree with them.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Does it seem odd to anyone except me that the Senate (in their infinite wisdom)wants to have 12 million "new" aliens compete for America's jobs when we already have 30-40 million of our own LEGAL citizens out of work?