procuradorfiscal:Everyone's in agreement that some things are
indeed better, many of the specifics you mention. I remember a lot
of those debates, in particular the emergence of the EPA and their mandating the
use of unleaded gasoline to clean up air pollution, and specifically to lower
the level of lead found in the blood of children. At the time it
was a serious ideological battle, with hysterics of economic doom for the US
economy, even from the likes of Lee Iacocca, then the CEO of Chrysler (I
believe), who specifically claimed that not only would the US automobile
industry be fatally harmed, but that enormous damage was going to be done to the
entire US economy.Here in Utah there was intense fury that mandating
unleaded gasoline was a horrendous, unjust assault on freedom from the feds,
that engines were going to be far worse, etc.Of course we seemed to
have survived that horrendous blow to freedom pretty well, with lead levels in
childrens' blood going down 93%.But reality doesn't
diminish the irrational fury from the right on new issues. Same fury, different
Our governor sure can write a good letter; it's just too bad he
doesn't back up his flowery prose with real, workable solutions to preserve
Utah's unique environment. Instead, he's busy trying to sell it off to
the highest corporate bidders, spending millions to "reclaim" cow trail
"roads" and fighting any and every attempt to further preserve what
wilderness remains by giving it protected status.Talk is cheap,
governor, and rhetoric is worthless. It's time to do something meaningful.
Stewardship - funny word. I was back in Utah a couple of weeks ago
visiting family and friends, and it struck me what Brigham Young must think
about what has become of the state. From master planned cities to a land of
endless billboards,strip malls, no central planning, and a cluster of random
stuff.... the oasis in the desert looks like a place the he would hardly
recognize. A land where billboards seem to out number trees.Progress and planning can coexist. I don't get this idea that they are
mutually exclusive of each other.I don't understand the
mentality of being super concerned about not leaving debt to our kids... and not
the world we will leave them. No to debt, but depleted resources, clean air and
water - all sacrificable in the name of progress and jobs.
Re: ". . . why do you and your friends keep trying to destroy the beauty,
decency, opportunities, and love that abound around us?"Thanks
for making my point.
Procura, you are correct when you write: "How miserable to live in such a
world! Particularly while surrounded by the real world, the one filled with
beauty, decency, honesty, opportunity, and love."So why do you
and your friends keep trying to destroy the beauty, decency, opportunities, and
love that abound around us?
Re: ". . . Deseret News advocates destruction . . . ."Funny
how conservatives can never admit that progress has been made, even in areas in
which they violently opposed the progress, and which they disingenuously claimed
would "destroy the economy or free enterprise."I guess being
truthful about how the environment really needs protection would mess with their
one-trick declaration of everything currently happening in America as a
political threat to jobs or the economy, requiring their brand of fascist
intervention as its "solution."Conservative politics needs
to bounce from one festering, easily solvable crises to the next, in order to
return us to the dark ages rather than solve the crisis. That's why
conservatives see any discussion of conservation or environmental responsibility
as counterproductive, even in those rare cases in which they may be partly
responsible.What a miserable existence!
@procuradorfiscalThough I think that the hyperbole in your original
post was a bit much, I readily acknowledge that we do agree on many of the
salient points of your original post (though I would assert that the "real
people" tend more often to be center-left; but I digress . . .). While
there indeed has been significant progress in some facets of cleaning up the
environment, there are also other important aspects of our ecosystem that have
been either neglected or allowed to deteriorate; in some cases, critically
so.It comes down to being good stewards of the environment, and
conserving finite resources. The right-wing fringe tends to wholly disregard
this concept -- an approach that is unsustainable; on the other hand, the
left-wing fringe tends to embrace this concept to an equally unsustainable
extreme. In both cases, the tendency is to be so wrapped up in their ideology
that they are unable to "think outside the box" to come up with
practical, innovative solutions that protect the environment without crippling
Re: "Exaggerate much?"Nah, not much.It's
interesting, though, that you and I are in violent agreement on my original
point.Real people -- they exist on both right and left [though
mostly on the right] -- have made substantial gains in cleaning up our
environment.Midwestern rivers no longer catch fire and burn. Back
East Love Canals no longer ooze into culinary water and school playgrounds.
Unexplained fish and waterfowl kills are rare. West Coast air almost never burns
the eyes and nostrils. Even Utah air and water, particularly our winter air, are
more pristine now than than ever. At least since I've been looking, and
that's a LONG time [ask my grandkids].Radical, liberal tree
huggers, though, won't admit to any environmental successes. Even though
some may be theirs.They daily trumpet fear of, and, by implication,
crying need for political crisis, chaos, confrontation, failure, even imminent
collapse and apocalypse.How miserable to live in such a world!
Particularly while surrounded by the real world, the one filled with beauty,
decency, honesty, opportunity, and love.
@procuradorfiscalExaggerate much?I find it interesting
how you cavalierly wield your hyperbole a little bit like a toddler wielding a
loaded handgun (how's that for mixing wedge-issue metaphors!).The reality is that the "moderate majority" -- including the
left-leaning moderates, as well as their right-leaning moderate and dead-center
counterparts -- do more to further substantive discussion and practical,
proactive solutions in the area of conservationism and general quality of life
than the "Drill Baby, Drill!" right-wingers and "Wilderness
Everywhere!" left-wingers could ever dream of.
What is the purpose of Earth Day? Who founded it? Who is Ira Einhorn?This is fodder for the left and their minions.
Re: ". . . Deseret News advocates destruction . . . ."Funny
how liberals can never admit progress, even in areas in which that progress is
patent, and which they disingenuously claim to care deeply about.I
guess being truthful about how the environment is actually getting better would
mess with their one-trick declaration of everything currently happening in
America as a political crisis, requiring their brand of socialist intervention
as its "solution."Liberal politics needs to bounce from one
festering, unsolvable crises to the next, in order to justify its existence.
That's why liberals see any discussion of success as counterproductive,
even in those rare cases in which they may be partly responsible.What a miserable existence!
And in another place, the Deseret News advocates destruction of the Antiquities
Act. But maybe the DN recognizes Governor Herbert's words for
what they are. Herbert speaks with forked tongue.