Gun control backers: Senate defeat won't stop us

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 20, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Obama is angry? Shouldn't be American citizens upset?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 20, 2013 2:25 p.m.


    Someday, somewhere, there will be an incident bad enough that even the hard-core righties will want to do something more about gun control!)"

    Over a million people in the Boston area terrorized by one man. Ten thousand policemen called in.

    Only a traitor would keep innocent people defenseless, and dependent.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 19, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    No one on the Democrat side should ever use as a reason for passing legislation what the public opinion polls say. Were that the case, then Obamacare should never have passed. However it did pass, without majority public opinion support or even any Republican support. So to the posters who are using that as a reason, it falls on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 19, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    There are many houses for the Boston terrorist to hide. Most of these homes don't have a gun for protection, and people are sitting ducks.

    Cannot agree with Obama. Will he stand down?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 19, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Obama benefits:

    * Has guards with guns to protect him, and family
    * Exemption from Obama care health plan
    * In four years, two billion dollars in benefits for vacations, golfing, parties, etc.
    * Full retirement
    * 18% tax bracket, which is less then most tax paying Americans. Less then Mitt Romney.
    * Holds the worlds record for spending other peoples money.
    * Holds the admiration of many people who feel he's improving our country.

    Now he wants control of our guns? Look at the community he built in Chicago.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    April 19, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Republicantthinkstraigh: "there are crazy people in the world that like to try to blow up our planes"..

    Maybe we should pass a law requiring background checks for bombs. That should resolve that problem...

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 19, 2013 9:38 a.m.


    I gave you TWO freedoms I have lost since BO took over. you only asked for one. and you did not refute the second.

    the fact you are fine losing the first is irrelevent. The fact your are probably fine losing both is irrelevent. The excuses given for the loss of those freedoms are irrelevant. The first may have started before BO, but only in isolated places; it becamse the norm under BO.

    you asked, I provided -

    BO has taken freedoms from us. nice try though.


    BTW, the contraction for "you are" is "you're" not "your"

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    April 19, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Lost in DC: So your fine with another 9-11 happening? You know there are crazy people in the world that like to try to blow up our planes. That is why you, me, everyone is subject to a search while entering a plane. It's kind of hard to tell who is crazy and who is not. BTW that started happening before Obama. Nice try though. Next.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 19, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Germany didn't become a Hitler territory overnight. It took 10-15 years for that man to get the power from the country through groups of people. It is a step by step process, including baby-steps. That is how power in countries around the world change, internally. There are takeovers by foreign countries, such as Germany marching into Poland, Denmark, France, etc. We have a Constitution that is the power and authority of our government. People that know Constitutional law can work their way around some of those rules, piece by piece, as people and the Supreme Court accept. Congress can sit by and let the process erode but that is why we have over 400 representing us in Congress. They rule together or by majority decision. In 2001, they were almost all united toward our country. Since then, we have had a falling economy and that is because some groups have entrenched themselves for their own money. We have bailed out banks, Wall-Street, Automakers, and given money out to almost every group and State, City and County that requests it for improving the economy and "system", even to pay a contractor that doesn't get the contract $13M.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    April 19, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    It is not the sudden total and complete loss of our rights, it is the constant chipping away of them.
    Personally I have no problem with background checks.
    National Gun registries are a two edged sword. On the one hand they could help in finding a gun used in another state in a crime, or they could assist the government in confiscating our guns.
    I personally do not trust our government.
    They all will lie cheat and steal to control us.
    Here is the question I ask myself, no matter which political party is in the white house. If the president and congress were lead by the other party how would I feel about this particular law or bill?
    Also, when the parties change at the next election do I want the next president to have that power?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 19, 2013 7:47 a.m.


    I can no longer go through the airport without being subjected to either a groping or a virtual strip-search

    I will be FORCED to buy someinthg, whether I want it or not. The only way NOT to buy it is to DIE!

    There, I named 2 freedoms I have lost since BO took over.

    if gun control were the solution, hard-wing righties would be right on board. But gun control is not the solution.

    I guess you missed the part in mountanman's comment that BO was throwing a tantrum over Sandy Hook.

    Dubai Holladay,
    thousands killed by guns. You mean the guns went out and killed people? Wow, I did not know that weapons had evolved to the point where they acted on their own!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 19, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    The President was pushing this with the suffering parents from Newtown. He is a man that takes advantage of every crisis to push his agenda. The Senate had their Democrats that will face an election in those states that were watching their Senators actions on this bill. The Second Amendment process is much different that just running a grocery store. It involves states and in states that still want that protection. The founding fathers knew that they wanted the Constitutional protections for all states and not just people. The Federal government could become so influential and forcing acts such as Health Care down even the U.S. Senators and Representatives throats by mandate or threats. Healthcare is important but the loss of other freedoms by the Federal government is a threat, if not controlled. If the Supreme Court and both Houses of Congress and President fall under the wrong President, it is not good for the country. The Senate was supposed to have passed the Gun Control bill so the Republican House would turn it down and then use that against the Republicans in 2014 elections to get a Democrat controlled House and there would be no lame-duck President.

  • Dubai Holladay Dubai, UAE, 00
    April 19, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    If we can't place restrictions on buying guns, then lets let kids buy alcohol at the grocery store and drive at at 5years old. It's pretty much the same priciple. Obama isn't going to take away your guns even if Foxnews tell you he is. Why is it ok,since Sandy Hook, that 1000's of people have been killed by guns?
    You need a control system in place, 90% of Americans want it.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2013 6:48 p.m.


    As opposed to innocent kids at Sandy Hook?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 18, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    Someday, somewhere, there will be an incident bad enough that even the hard-core righties will want to do something more about gun control!

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    April 18, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    Why don't these folks simply move to repeal the Second Amendment? Because who ever promoted the idea would be committing political suicide. They know that the great majority of law-abiding citizens favor the Second Amendment. They try to backdoor the Constitution with "legislation" instead of having the courage of their supposed convictions

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    II don't understand why a loss on this was such a surprise. Even if the Senate had caved, the house was sure not to pass this.

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    April 18, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    How long have we been debating gun control? Immigration? Years so now something needs to get done but all the repubs can offer up is "lets talk more." Enough talking, where are the solutions? DN 2 Name one freedom you can no longer enjoy since President Obama came to office?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    “Manchin also told reporters at a breakfast sponsored by the Wall Street Journal that the outcome would have been different if the Senate had acted more quickly after the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. "If we'd have gone to a bill like this immediately, boom," he said, predicting it would have received 65-70 votes.”

    So he would rather the senate vote on emotion rather than after careful deliberation. Never let a crisis go to waste!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 18, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Obama and his temper tantrum. He never got this angry when innocent people were killed in Benghazi, just took it in stride and issued an executive order to cover it up. Amazing leadership.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 18, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Another swing and a miss for socialist America!!! A big win for the second ammendent of our constitution and the American peoples right and ability to protect themselves and their children. Expect Barack to jump back out on the campaign trail thowing out outrageous false claims, insults and attacks against all those who "cling to their guns and religion". The constitution has always been a thorn in Barack's back side. Hopefully - and God willing - that will continue to be the case.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    I find it interesting that Senator Manchin said if the NRA was not "scoring the bill" it would have had 70 votes. People, he knows that because his collegues told him so. Whether it's gun control, financial reform, tax legislation, or whatever, this is just another example that our elected leaders in Washington care more about appeasing the lobbyist than serving their constituents. America has been bought and sold. Just one more sad day added to a list of others.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    April 18, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Obama and his puppets may be sincere in their claims that their remedy might reduce violence.

    However, empirical data has shown that they are just flat wrong.

    Worse, they are themselves, or as unwitting dupes, interested mainly in getting a system in place to register and then confiscate every gun in private hands. This is not some paranoid delusion, but that of Sen. Diane Feinstein who stated as early as 1995 that she "..would take them all. Pick every one up."

    Freedom loving citizens need to be alert to defend the Constitution against Feinstein and her pals, who will surely be back to try their gun grab again.

    And, if people wanted to do something to reduce gun violence, the Cruz-Grassley substitute which was defeated (mostly by Democrats) yesterday would have been a good option.