Paul says he is considering 2016 presidential bid

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  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 18, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Ron and Rand complain about the platform and candidates of the GOP but use it as a stage for relevance.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 17, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    So then bottom line you wish to continue the same old conversation, to bad I thought there may actually be a chance for a meaningful ideas.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 17, 2013 5:30 p.m.


    Do you not clearly see that both parties buy votes? Democrats give citizen welfare by government redistribution through programs. Republicans use lower taxes to attract voters. Many economists & many Americans feel entitlement spending trajectories will bankrupt our nation. I just mentioned 3 GOP talking points that may sound "old school" to you: entitlement spending/redistribution of wealth, taxation, & federal spending. But these "old school" points are central to policy. How can you avoid them?

    When I say the new GOP candidates have good ideas, I mean to say that they "sound" like they really mean to change things, as opposed to most candidates who tell you what you want to hear, then do little to actually do the right thing. Instead they spend most of their time in office repaying supporters.

    Liberals simply hold to a different philosophy than I ascribe to & believe is right. I am encouraged by the younger GOP because they seem passionate, articulate, historically & constitutionally sound, & seem to propose things that will improve our country. In too many ways Obama has simply furthered the divide in our nation. I'm tired of that.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 17, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    So then you do realize you went right back to every old talking point that the republicans have been using for a very long time right? Here is the thing I do not mean to be disrespectful and I do not wish to get into yet another debate about who is giving away what etc. as it is right back to the same old conversation I referred to in my last post what I can honestly say is it would be refreshing to have a new filed of GOP leaders that do actually have something new and useful to the conversation (although the same could be said for democrates much of the time) as I would truly like to have the ability to have a productive conversation and actually have a reasonable alternative rather than going with the democrats because they are ever so slightly less out of touch.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 17, 2013 4:41 p.m.


    I read your post with a smile. As I read the papers I see the freshman and "younger" Republicans leading the debate. The older GOP guard is diminishing.

    Did you watch Marco Rubio on Sunday? He is articulate, intelligent, and patriotic--he loves this country. I feel great hope in the rising group of Republicans and again state that I believe them to be a solid field of presidential candidates.

    Meanwhile, the Democrats and liberals will put forward an old group that apologizes for American greatness, is bent on government control, and appears to care little for the enslavement that federal spending is putting upon our children and grandchildren.

    Liberals have the advantage in presidential elections because they offer free stuff, and American voters want free stuff. Also, the liberal media bias greatly aids liberal candidates. These (voters wanting free stuff and liberal media bias) are legitimate and formidable obstacles for the GOP to overcome.

    But as for being able to debate the principles of the constitution, the principles of freedom, and the principles and economics that have made this country great, and still hold the greatest promise of future greatness, Republicans will dominate the old liberal positions.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 17, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    sorry that was suppose to be solid not sold but kind of still fits.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    new sold ideas? really? where were they a few short months ago when they lost? the grand OLD party has not had a new idea in decades.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Republicans have a group of excellent candidates to run for president. They bring new, solid ideas for America's future. I wish it were 2016 already!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    Paul will have trouble with conservatives in these areas:
    Defense in general
    Street drugs

    Like his father, he has a strong ground game and fiercely loyal supporters.
    Like his father, he will be a footnote in the primaries an dilute the GOP vote slightly.
    Like his father, Libertarians garner little interest in our elections and must co-opt one of the two parties to get any media attention at all.

    As a result they become minor spoilers in the primaries and non-entities in the general election.