Richard Davis: Take a minute to ponder what your taxes provide

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  • OKWalker Duncan, OK
    April 17, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    Let's see. Wicked King Noah taxed his people 20%. US taxes start at 15% for Social Security. (If you think it is 7.5% you have been deceived). Then there is Federal Taxes of 15-39%. Then there is State Taxes of 6-10%. Then sales tax of 6-9%. And a variety of ad valorem taxes if you own a business. Then property taxes if you own a home. The total looks like 42-73%. Maybe the Taxed Enough Already folks are on to something. And, by the way, sure government provides benefits. I'm sure King Noah did too. This article is objectionable because it completely ignores the cumulative effects of way too much unnecessary spending, far too much irresponsible debt, and monetary policies that jeopardize national solvency and therefore individual freedom, not to mention severely constraining private investment and innovation. It is NOT an issue of differing incentives for rich, poor and middle class. The current situation is simply economically unconscionable!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 17, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    @ Moderate. Not true at all. Private industry wastes money they go out of business. Government wastes money and we give them more.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    Moderate: Of course private industry can waste money too. If I am a stockholder, then I would be worried about it. But until IBM, Microsoft, or other company can force me to support their business with the same kinds of powers granted the IRS, then I will not complain that loudly about it.

    Truthseeker: I find it curious too... that so many liberals actually believe that people who want a smaller government (i.e. most conservatives) don't want any government at all and hate the poor and love the rich. (And if they don't really believe it, I wish they would stop repeating that lie.)

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    "But (government) also wastes a good portion of the tax money we give it each year."
    You think the government wastes money? You should see private industry in action.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 17, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    I've always found it curious that in a state culturally dominated by a church which sends young men and women abroad-- some to under-developed countries--has such a large majority of the population who are anti-tax, anti-govt, and who denigrate the poor while extolling the rich.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 17, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    At the top of the list of govt waste should be the Dept of Defense.

    The GAO said that the Defense Department “is one of the few federal entities that cannot accurately account for its spending or assets.” The report added, “Without accurate, timely, and useful financial information, DOD is severely hampered in making sound decisions affecting its operations.”
    As one specific example, the accounting watchdog cited the department’s supply-chain management which as of late 2011 had amassed $9.2 billion worth of excess inventory on hand and had already ordered $523 million worth of inventory which was purchased but likely unnecessary.

    Perhaps when Republicans become focused on the DOD i'll believe they care about govt waste.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 17, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    "When it come time to retire, there is a big incentive to move to a State without an income tax and moderate sales taxes. Again Wyoming and Florida come to mind."

    Kind of depends on ones situation

    Take Texas for example. (although most states without a state income tax fall into this category)

    Texas has no state income tax, but their property tax is quite large.

    Many retirees will have little income but the property tax will hurt them.

    For those retiring with a nice income, I would agree with you.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    April 17, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Kent C. DeForrest: and you think conservatives are simplistic? That rant was about as simplistic a summation I've heard. Yes, I know, conservatives are guilty of the same thing. That's why I say that conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin. Both sides are arguing how deck chairs on the Titanic should be arranged.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    April 17, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    One day out of the year, April 15th, i become a republican. I think a large portion of our federal taxes goes to pay interest on our national debt, most of it incurred in three recent wars in which we refused to raise taxes to pay for them. I can't feel good about the Country's spend an borrow habit. On the State level, unlike Wyoming, we don't tax our extractive industries. Instead we tax individuals. When it come time to retire, there is a big incentive to move to a State without an income tax and moderate sales taxes. Again Wyoming and Florida come to mind.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    April 17, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Richard, you've gone and done it again. How can the DesNews keep printing this kind of stuff? You're way too rational. Don't you know that taxes are evil? Government is evil, pure evil. We should drown it in a toilet, or at least a bathtub if we can't shrink it small enough to fit in the loo.

    Seriously, I wonder quite often exactly what sort of society the Republicans really want. Based on their rhetoric, you'd think they want ALL money in the hands of the top 1 percent, 100 million people without health insurance, a gun in every empty hand, no abortions even for rape or incest, illegal immigrants rounded up and dropped in the ocean, no unemployment insurance, class sizes that average 50+ students, a military twice as bloated as the one we currently enjoy, and two or three more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 17, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Mountanman. I completely agree with you. See? It can happen.

    Here is a challenge to government. Cut spending. Determine where we can cut, and do it. Once you have done that, then cut taxes to what is needed to cover the spending that's left.

    And if we find it necessary to go to war, cut other spending or raise taxes to pay for it.
    Katrina hits? Cut spending elsewhere or raise taxes.

    Cut the spending first, then lower taxes.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    April 17, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    The patriots have spoken. Taxes gathered while a democrat is in the white house, (even when they are at record lows) are for corruption and waste, got it.

    Remember the wonderful 50's tax rates, leave it to beaver, moms at home? Check what the rates were then.

    ...and you wonder why the T-Party is seen as nuts?

    I don't know how you guys stay in such a horrible country.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    April 17, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Articles in the DN don't compel me to comment much these days. This one is so outrageous that I couldn't hold back.

    I earned a degree in political science from one of our Utah universities, so I have some understanding of what passes for education in our lower and higher schools. This article is a good example of the statist mentality that pervades most history, economic and political science instruction. This article is nothing but propaganda supporting the status quo. Sure, it's not perfect, he believes, but it seems to work just fine. The song "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd comes to mind.

    Murray Rothbard said it best: "Taxation is theft." When we get to the point when we're comfortable with theft, we need to lay off the Kool-Aid.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 17, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Paying taxes isn't the problem. Its how the government wastes the money, what it is spent on(entitlement fraud, Solyndra, wasted "stimulus packages") and on and on it goes and the out of control spending by the government ($17 trillion and growing by $3.5 billion/day) which are the problems. If I thought paying more taxes would help our nation get out of debt, I would take a second job and donate it all for that purpose but to see our government's out of control spending, the waste and the fraud, I know there isn't ANY amount of taxes that will ever be enough! To repeat, its not taxes, its the run away spending, the waste and the fraud. And it just keeps getting worse, not better! The cost of government has grown way to large and way to expensive and the truth is we can not feed it, there isn't enough money, anywhere. Totally unsustainable.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 17, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Re: ". . . tak[e] a minute to consider what those taxes pay for and what a difference those services mean for our lives. Then, writing that check doesn't seem quite so painful."

    Actually, contemplating what our taxes pay for, but shouldn't, acutely increases the pain.

    Contemplating all those billions in taxes flushed down one or another gaping liberal toilet, funding graft, corruption, dependency, abortion, overregulation, crony capitalism, horribly expensive, not-ready-for-primetime "green" projects, useless or counterproductive acadmic "studies," and the destruction of our freedoms in the name of "security," is painful, indeed.

    Were it not for liberals and their fixation on and fascination with fleecing America, we could spend more time actually enjoying the fruits of our labor. It wouldn't take so long or be so painful to comptemplate the incredible waste and destruction "those taxes pay for."

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    April 17, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Yes, government provides some great services that we all need. But it also wastes a good portion of the tax money we give it each year.

    For every one of dollars spent on the services mentioned in this article, I could mention another dollar or two that is proverbially "flushed down the toilet" by our good friends in government who obviously know how to spend our money much better than we can.

    The plain truth is, our government is at least twice the size it should be. We could cut it in half and still have the things we need from it if it were run a bit more efficiently.

    So yes, I think we need government and I know I need to do my share and pay at least a portion of the taxes I currently do, but I refuse to be happy about the half or so that I shouldn't have to pay.