Tea party one of few groups willing to take a stand, keep promises

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    "wastintime" So... Any group funded by the Koch brothers is suspect in your view.

    How about NOVA and PBS? or cancer research ($750 Million)?

    Some other suspect organizations they fund are...
    Lincoln Center
    Sloan Kettering clinic
    New York Presbyterian Hospital
    American Museum of Natural History
    American Ballet Theater
    New York City Ballet
    Smithsonian Institution
    Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
    University of Texas Cancer Center
    House Ear Institue (in LA)

    Before you blindly criticise somebody else... maybe you should consider how much good you are doing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 17, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    Los Angeles, CA
    says, "Any group funded by the Koch brothers is suspect in my view".

    This knee jerk regurgitating talking-points like "we don't like the Koch brothers"... just bugs me.

    Do you suspect PBS? They fund PBS more than they fund the tea party (they donated $7 Million to fund the PBS show "Nova").

    Are you suspcicious of cancer research? Because they fund cancer research too.

    They also fund Lincoln Center (are you suspicious of the Lincoln Center)?

    Are you suspicious of Sloan Kettering clinic ($30 Million)
    Johns Hopkins Universisty of Medicine ($20 Million)
    New York Presbyterian Hospital? ($15 Million)
    New York City Ballet?
    They donated $100 million for NYC theater renovation.
    $20 Million to the American Museaum of Natural History
    $35 Million to Smithsonian Institution

    So... do you really suspect anything the Koch brothers fund??

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 17, 2013 12:34 a.m.

    @mark "Taxes will have to go up on all of us."

    Taxes will have to go up, unless we reform entitlements or expand our economy. We should get control of our spending before we even consider raising taxes. Why? Because when we tax something, we tend to get less of it. High taxes on cigarettes are meant to discourage smoking. High taxes on fuel are meant to decrease emissions. Why would we want to place higher taxes on economic activity?

    "By the way, raising taxes will not hamper growth."

    A recent study may have come to this conclusion, but almost all other studies in the past 30 years have reached the opposite conclusion. If you want to know where the outlier went wrong, read "CRS Study on Tax Rates and Growth Still Flunks the Test", by Stephen J. Entin.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    April 17, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    Hey Ultra Bob, You’re not alone. Abraham Lincoln also realized that the same terms can have different meaning to different folks when he wrote (in 1864):

    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name – liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Gold finished.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    April 16, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    re: Counter Intelligence 4/16 9:45a

    What then would you call the pot-stirring that Limbaugh, Professor Beck, and fixed noise do?

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    April 16, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    I don't call myself a Tea Party member, but I do agree with there conservative values. However, they have been hijacked the past few years by those who call themselves leaders. Nate is correct, there is alot of hater's commenting on here. Those with hate and selfishness will be the downfall of the American Empire, and all empires collapse. This country will be picked up the Tea Party, and those like myself. By the way, the majority of those serving in the military and veterans identity themselves with the Tea Party! Not with the majority of you making comments on here!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    "I don't like your tax increases, because I see growth as our best way out of debt, and higher taxes kill growth."

    Well nate, that's what I figured. You aren't serious about dealing with the debt. Taxes will have to go up on all of us. We will not be able to grow our way out of this debt.

    By the way, raising taxes will not hamper growth. It is a lie of the right to say that it will.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass
    What would you call Nancy Pelosi and the CBC walking through a T-party rally hoping to incite an incident, so that they could play victim. When the incident didnt happen, they made one up anyhow - and yet despite a $100,00 reward - no evidence of the incident was ever found.

    That is HATE

    That, and the posts here, indicate that the left is too busy passive/aggressively manufacturing feigned drama to recognize its own hate

    (Incidently: I have no devotion to conservative policies as much as I am repelled by such left-wing hate)

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    The very attributes that made the Tea Party famous and followed are the same ones responsible for the destruction of the GOP. As Aladin said to Jafar "you wanted it, and everything that goes with it". In short, losing.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 15, 2013 9:18 p.m.


    I gave Reagan and GHW Bush the benefit of the doubt, because of the Congress they were dealing with. However, under George W, I left the Republican party, and never looked back. They had the White House and both houses of Congress, and spent like drunks. My level of concern only deepened under Obama. When he took office, we were $10 trillion in debt, and now we're pushing $17 trillion.

    I don't like your tax increases, because I see growth as our best way out of debt, and higher taxes kill growth. Even the mild payroll tax increases we had in January have put a damper on the recovery. Getting control over our spending is more likely to produce the growth we need. Repealing onerous mandates like those in Obamacare would also help.

    Now that we're leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, it'll be interesting to see who Obama blames for his deficits. He's running out of scapegoats. After four years, he owns the economy. The CBO says it's entitlements and interest payments that keep us from balancing.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    "We see excessive debt as a threat to those freedoms."

    Outstanding, Nate. So you were as outraged as I was when President Reagan, and President Bush, and especially President W. Bush were running up this massive national debt? Of did it only start to concern you when President Obama took office?

    Well, better late then never. I guess. So anyway, then you recognize the need to raise taxes, getting rid of all the fiscally devastating tax cuts George W. Bush put in place? Outstanding. Because obviously we are not going to deal with the debt without raising taxes. And we need to be willing to have those taxes put on us, and not wait on our children to have to pay for what we spent.

    Also, I assume you recognize the importance of cutting the bloated defense budget to help deal with the debt.

    Well, welcome aboard.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 15, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass "...reality..."

    Like I said, read through the comments. They don't have much to do with reality -- they're mostly vitriol. The fact that you agree with them doesn't make it any less so.

    The funny thing is, people on the left see themselves as the tolerant, enlightened ones. I don't often see that side of them. (There are exceptions, and I appreciate that.)

    With regard to the tea party, the reality is that it consists mostly of decent citizens who are concerned about America's future. We want our children and grandchildren to enjoy the same freedoms we do. We see excessive debt as a threat to those freedoms. We believe that the solution is for government to stay within its constitutional bounds.

    Various individuals have tried to get in front of this parade, and I can see why you want to make it all about them. But this movement will be around long after they're gone. We're not going away. There will always be people who want to preserve liberty for posterity.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 15, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    Thank you everyone for all the 'likes'.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Yep the gold bubble has popped. Is there anyone that didn't see that gold prices were a bubble? I mean besides Glenn Beck and his followers.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 15, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    @Nate: Don't confuse reality with "hate". Just because reality paints a different picture doesn't mean there is any hate.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    1 conservative...you better buy more and bet the farm. Obama can't bring the economy back to Bush levels. The gold promotors will tell you gold will go to 3000.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 15, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Sandy Thackeray writes these very same;

    "Tea-Party, Tea-Party, Rah, Rah, Rah!"
    letters to the Deseeret News about every other month.

    Why they keep publishing them, is beyond me.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 15, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    "wastintime" Any group funded by George Soros is suspect in my view.

    "one vote" gold prices are up 2.5x from the time Barack Obama took office.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    April 15, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Consistency is one thing. But being consistently wrong is no feather in anyone's hat.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    The tea party hyped gold is sinking fast.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 14, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    Read through the comments.
    Who are the real haters here?
    Not the tea party.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    They will soon start throwing that gold they were promoting by trying to ruin the economy overboard as the bubble burst.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 14, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    @Mountanman 7:42 a.m. April 14, 2013

    In a way you're right. America HAS moved away from the principles that made her great and has replaced those values with stateism, fascism and a new aristocracy of the elite that was located in the White House during the administration of its just-previous occupant (GWBush), and is now perpetuated through the policies and programs of the far right extreme.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 14, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Any group funded by the Koch brothers is suspect in my view.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    April 14, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    I had a hard time keeping a straight face while reading this letter. The tea party is a parody of what true political reform should represent. Sadly, many Utahns fall for the tea party façade of conservative idealism that would set this country back at least 50 years and destroy what remains of a real progressive political transformation that looks to the future and not the past.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    to Mountanman

    Which administration was referred to as the Imperial Presidency? Oh, that's right it was the previous one.

    re: Tyler D

    Agreed. As a Libertarian, I could deal w/ the tea party when it was exclusively message #1. It lost all credibility when it was hijacked by Professor Beck, Alaska's favorite 1/2 term Gov, & their special brand of crazy.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    April 14, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Sorry Sandy Thackeray but this country has only flourished when it 'progressed' through the issues of the day. Even the Tea Party moniker is a distortion of American history since the Boston Tea Party was all about giving a corporation special tax breaks, something the current crop of Tea Partiers are in opposition of. In fact, it is bankrolled not by the grassroots but corporations that have conned it into doing their bidding.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    April 14, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    The GOP "losing power and social relevance", which a contributor references has more to do with the fact that the Republicans are little, if any, better when empowered (when they controlled both houses and the Presidency) than the Democrats.

    They support the same big wars (which they initially avoid referring to as wars) as the Democrats, practice massive deficit spending, and powerful bureaucracies that harrass the people, and do nothing for the "general welfare". They feather their nests as spineless career politicians, with most of them apparently quickly becoming millionaires in net "worth" and in practice despising the relatively poor on whose incomes they prey. They partake of the same premium health care plan, retirement plan, etc while secretly coveting and spending the surplus Social Security contributions of the people. Having eaten so many of those particular golden eggs they now seemingly plan on consuming the hen by course.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    April 14, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Respecting the Tea Party for its (in)action in Congress is akin to respecting a four-year-old for throwing a temper tantrum in a department store. They decry that government is the problem and prove that to be true every time they are elected.

    This "party" is nothing more than the hard right's visceral reaction to Obama's election; they'll be gone in a few years.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 14, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    For me the most revealing thing about the Tea Party is their stand against government regulations, other wise known as laws to protect and promote the general welfare of the people.

    It is the law that makes us free.

    The only way I can reconcile the views of the Tea Party is to believe they have different meanings to words like people, freedom, government, and such.

    To the Tea Party people are only those who profit from the labor of others. Because of their ferocity and power they think they don’t need the protection of government and don’t want that protection put upon those less deserving human beings, of another name.

    Freedom seems to be only that which matches their concept of morality, and is applied differently to their people from that which is applied to others.

    They seem to feel that government should protect their people and their customers from foreign enemies but should not protect the ordinary people from internal enemies.

    If the Tea Party is able to control our government we are allowing the destruction of America and it’s people.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    April 14, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Depends what you want out of a political movement Sandra. I too was an early supporter, but unfortunately the morphed into something pretty distasteful. Here’s how I saw it:

    1. Tea Party starts as outrage over bailouts and its early message was one of fiscal responsibility.

    2. Glenn Beck jumps on board and those who have never spent any time in “crazytown” begin to get nervous.

    3. Small government conservatives get on the bandwagon and they become the movement (and in 2010, the party) of “no.”

    4. Movement gets co-opted by social and religious conservatives, and that combined with #3 pushes the message of #1 totally aside causing them to lose all credibility with Independents and Pragmatists (who were on board with message #1).

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 14, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Great article! Whether you like the "TEA Party" or not, America has moved away from the principles that made her great and have replaced those values with stateism, socialism and a new aristocracy of the elite located in the White House.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    April 14, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    The Republicans lost the election big time, The main reason for that was their extreme right wing and the obstructionist Tea Party members of congress. Keeping your word is good, but not if what you promise to do is wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    April 14, 2013 2:52 a.m.

    The Tea Party is a joke. It is opposed to anything Obama, doesn't like spending money on people and programs it doesn't like, but LOVES receiving all the benefits its members receive from the government. It is composed primarily of old, white men angry with the world

    Additionally, the Tea Party has moved away from a focus on economic issues and now embraces the fundamentally conservative social issues that is driving the Republican Party further to the extreme Right. It is not interested in making America better. It is only interested in re-branding the policies of the old John Birch Society in a nativist isolationism hostile to a changing world.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    "I identify and support their stands of protecting our freedoms and avoid trusting the government to make decisions for us, smaller government, the family unit and the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman."

    I see you are also against proper grammar and punctuation.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2013 12:40 a.m.

    If belligerent irrationality, willful ignorance, mendacity, bigotry, fear-mongering and short-sighted greed are principles that appeal to you, then sure, the Tea Party is for you.

    Fortunately, an expanding majority of voters recognize the Tea Party for the hollow fraud that it is.

    When Republican Governor Bobby Jindal warned earlier this year that, "We've got to stop being the stupid party," he was directing that admonishment squarely at the Tea Party faction of the GOP.

    We need a thoughtful, reality-based conservative perspective in our national politics. The Tea Party isn't it. Rather, it is the primary (excuse the pun) reason the GOP is losing political power and social relevance.

    The Tea Party is the reason why the GOP of today would be unrecognizable and a profound embarrassment to GOP leaders of just 20 years ago.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 14, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    The tea party is still bringing the crazy. I do admire consistency.