Christians are harassed more than any other religion in the world

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  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    April 8, 2013 6:52 p.m.

    Someone's anticipating Bill O'Reilly's 'War On Christmas' ahead of time.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 8, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    where exactly did I claimn to be a martyr? also kind of a strange accusation givent he subject of the thread dont you think? that aside, what part of discrimination is wrong no matter who does it or who they do it to are you trying to not understanding?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 8, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Lawsuits? I will be honest, right or wrong I felt like trying to seek justice through the courts against these employers would only assure that I would never be hired again for any job in this state. No, each time I swallowed my pride and accepted that my rights where not going to be protected.

    I do agree with you though that discrimination no matter who engages in it is not acceptable and that you cannot say everyone is equally guilty but I am not sure I really see people doing that in this thread. I certainly do not hold the LDS church or people that are LDS responsible for these peoples actions, they acted on their own but I also understand the potentially very serious ramifications of trying to stand up against them in a culture that is so strongly LDS.

    Your right Christians do deserve the same considerations as Muslims or anyone else for that matter here in the US and everywhere but again I do not see anyone on this thread saying they don’t, which brings us back to Maudines comment about red herrings.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    If you apply for a job in the LDS office building or a Catholic rectory, you can be turned down because of your religion. Otherwise it's illegal. Do something about it and stop playing the martyr. For every instance you claim to experience (without any documentation), there are probably just as many unspoken quotas that limit others opportunity in state universities, law firms, government jobs, etc.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 8, 2013 12:19 p.m.


    "I as a non LDS person have been told on three different occasions that I would not be hired because I was not LDS"

    So you are living on all the money you won in the lawsuits over this, right?

    It shouldn't happen, but does. I worked for an employer who would preferentially hire those who are not Mormon.

    BTW, the first post was sarcastic.

    The problem throughout this thread, and in the population at large, is that people are lumping everyone of one group together as equally guilty. THis is discriminatory, making all accusations of discrimination total hypocrisy. The person who discriminates is guilty. The 'group' they are from is not guilty. Kind of like Muslims are not terrorists, just the Muslim terrorists are terrorists.

    Christians deserve the same consideration as Muslims, especially in America.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    April 8, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    It's about to get a lot worse for Christans because the Un-American race baiting SPLC just labelled them as extremists.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 8, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Wasn't it "Christians" who lead the Inquisition?
    Wasn't it "Christians" who invaded the New World and dessimated the indigenous people?

    Wasn't it "Christians" who harrassed Muslims post 9-11?
    Wasn't it "Christians" who didn't allow Muslims the right to build a cultural center in New York?
    Wasn't it "Christians" who invaded a sovereign middle eastern countrry for their oil?

    BTW - Wasn't it "Christians" who harassed and drove the Mormons out of the United States?

    Wasn't it Christ himself who said; "He who is without sin, cast the first stone"?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 7, 2013 10:46 p.m.


    I think you may want to reread maudinene post. I as a non LDS person have been told on three different occasions that I would not be hired because I was not LDS, a situation which maudines post clearly disc riles as actual discrimination.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    April 7, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    @ badgerbadger: There is a difference between persecution and discrimination. But nice red herring.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    April 7, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    American Fork, UT
    "So, are you going to offer the other cheek, or whine about it?"

    Dead Christians can't really turn the other cheek.

    Those fleeing for their lives can't either.

    It really isn't funny.

    But thanks for putting the verbal abuse and discrimination here in the "free world" in perspective.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 7, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    So, are you going to offer the other cheek, or whine about it?

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    April 7, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Christians "may" be harrassed more than peoples of other religions but "christians", (U.S. christians anyway) "may" be the most likely to harrass others for their beliefs.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 7, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    By Maudine's standard, no one is discriminated against in this country. Drop all the affirmative action and hate crime laws. We don't need them any more.

    Deportation of illegal aliens isn't discriminatory either.

    And call people whatever you want, just don't jail them.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    April 7, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    There is no religious persecution towards Christians in the US.

    No Christian is denied a job because of his or her faith. No Christian is jailed because of his or her faith. No Christian is denied the opportunity to worship.

    Yes - when Christians want to use their religious beliefs as the basis for passing laws, that is challenged. When Christians want only their symbols and holidays recognized, that is challenged. When religious organizations receive taxpayer funds they are expected to act the same as all other organizations. These are not examples of persecution - they are examples of a lack of favoritism.

    If you study the history of countries where religious persecution occurs, you will see that it all started with the exact same arguments many Christians are making here.

    We need to start focusing on real persecution and stop pretending that a mere disagreement on religion is the same thing as a denial to practice your faith.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 7, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Many Americans claim we are a "Christian" country and write letters of offense whenever someone claims we are not or when someone who is not Christian wants the right to not have Christianity imposed on them in the form of crosses by the side of the highway or pictures of Jesus hanging in public schools.

    The majority of countries where persecution of Christians occurs, are countries that have a state religion - and Christians are persecuted for not adhering to this state religion.

    Here in the US there is a group of Christians who believe that the Constitution only applies to Christians and that no others are protected by it nor entitled to hold public office.

    There is a reason why our Founding Fathers opposed a state religion and why so many Americans promote the separation of church and state - only by guaranteeing everyone the freedom of their own beliefs can we ensure the continuance of freedom of religion. The minute we start to favor one religion over another, we head down the road of true religious persecution.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 7, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    "The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, an expert on the region, told me he is shocked that American Christians aren't regularly protesting outside of embassies drawing attention to this issue."

    Hear hear. That would be a nobler use of American Christian's time, but most would rather be offended because they can't put a nativity scene in the public square or because a retailer chooses Santa Claus over a manger scene.

    This article and this report identifies serious issues facing Christians all over the world - issues of genocide and horible violence perpetrated against God fearing Christians for doing nothing more than practicing their religion. We can find lots of excuses for why Christians might be experiencing this violence, such as the actions of so-called Christians from past centuries, but the actions of those from the past should not provide justification for illegal and immoral acts committed today. The next time I read a letter to the editor in the DN about the War on Christmas I hope it is about the more broad and serious issues highlighted in this article and not about somebody not liking the Christmas decorations of some retail store.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 7, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    To persecute a person for his/her religious beliefs (or lack thereof) is abhorrent. To restrict one's freedom to develop his/her own religious beliefs is a fundamental violation of human liberty. The enlightenment ideals that were so cherished by the founders have safeguarded this freedom here, but not so in many parts of the world.

    Such persecution is not limited to Christians. Just today I read that the government of Bangladesh has arrested three atheist bloggers for blasphemy and defaming Islam. These three bloggers could face 10 years in prison under the country's cyber laws, simply for stating their opinions publicly.

    We should all join together to support freedom of religion and freedom of speech throughout the world. The blasphemy laws are often used to persecute Christians, as well as atheists throughout the middle east and northern Africa. Similarly, Bahai's are persecuted and imprisoned for their beliefs in Iran. Such persecution is mainly a problem in Islamic countries, but even in the U.S. there are still laws on the books in seven states that prohibit atheists from serving in public office.