Putting a human face on immigration

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  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2013 4:54 p.m.

    @John C.C.

    "You see, foreign workers create more jobs than they take."

    False. Illegal aliens consume far more than they contribute, on the order of about three to one. The ruin of California, where illegal immigration has been allowed to run rampant, proves your assertion false.

    @SG in SLC

    You want to talk about "Church's position?"

    Okay, here:

    -- Obey, honor, and sustain the law.

    -- Be honest in your dealings with your fellow man.

    -- Thou shalt not steal.

    -- Thou shalt not bear false witness.

    -- Thou shalt not covet.

    Indisputably, that is the "Church's position" on immigration -- for these principles have NOT been rescinded.

    "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    April 6, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Our founding fathers wrote no restrictions on immigration into the Constitution. They just said that congress should provide a pathway to citizenship for to those already here. The concept of "illegals" was legalized in 1875, during a wave of anti-Chinese bigotry. We were the first offenders.

    I don't advocate breaking current immigration laws. Congress made them and they are Constitutional. But that doesn't make them right. The victims of these bad, but constitutional laws include all those law-abiding foreigners still patiently waiting under conditions of poverty and tyranny for their legal turn to enter.

    Victims of our bigotry include our own native workers who are jobless because they miss all the jobs that would have been created had we allowed more foreign workers in to create them. You see, foreign workers create more jobs than they take.

    Victims of our bigotry include our economy, which thrives better in a free market with a free flow of labor.

    Victims of our bigotry include all developing nations to whom we send aid. If we let more of their workers come here, their remittances back home would do more good than any other kind of aid.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Last year alone lobbyists for illegal/unethical business were pd. 1.5 Billion to lobby Congress in order to keep their cheap laborers.
    Employers of illegal trespassers couldn't care less about amnesty, or a "path to citizenship", all THEY care about is an ongoing supply of cheap labor. I'm talking below minimum wage cheap. I live and work all around illegal aliens, so I DO know.

    Its quite obvious from all the hype about "new" immigration laws, that NEITHER party has any intention of enforcing much of anything. If they did, you'd hear talk of mandating e-verify, along with severe penalties for non-compliance.
    Some employers already do use it, but most don't. It would cost next to nothing to implement.

  • Alfred Pheonix, AZ
    April 6, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    "I know construction companies owners underbid by another with illegal cheap labor. People leaving the hospitality, cleaning and construction jobs they held for decades because their wages were depressed into poverty. Look at the victims on the other side."

    Good point, Lars. Unfortunately, the Democrats and their leader are not at all concerned about American citizens as victims. To them illegals are not 'undocumented immigrants.' They're 'undocumented Democrats.'

    "12 million people all at once will stifle our social services."

    Yes, but it means 12 million more Democrat voters, don't forget.

    @Laura M. Warburton:
    "Our laws are ridiculous and fly in the face of the American dream..."

    Our immigration laws are to protect this country from being overrun with foreigners. It has been said that a nation without controlled borders is not a nation at all.

    And our immigration laws are just fine as is. What's lacking is enforcement... which is the responsibility of the President and his Attorney General.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 5, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    It saddens me that we apparently don't advocate this anymore."

    > we do, it's called legal immigration.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    If deportation is so bad, why do Hispanics, some of which are citizens, claim to be illegal as soon as they are arrested for a crime?

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    I find it interesting that Ms. Christensen has a friend, who is in need yet she seems unwilling or unable to help her using her own resources. Perhaps she could sponsor Sonya, become responsible for her and her family while she navigates the Byzantine labyrinth that is our immigration process.

    It seems we say we are are concerned about others yet seldom involve our own fortune or time or resources to assist the unfortunate. We want the "government" do the heavy lifting while we sit on the sidelines and sip a diet coke. If all the people and organizations who claim to be concerned about or lament the sad state of illegal immigrants (and that is what they are - they have immigrated to the United States without passport or legal entry) would sponsor the person or family the situation would be drastically reduced. Why don't we do it? Because our concern is a mile wide and an inch deep.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    "Truthseeker" @8:00

    You're mistaken, but its' a common mistake.

    MOST illegals are working on a stolen SS #. When they file their taxes, they increase the amount of dependents to 10 or more, then file EIC (earned income credit), then when the check arrives from the IRS; they quickly cash the check and move to a new address and get a new stolen SS#. They can be obtained for around $250.00, if they want a false DL. also, th price goes up to about $400.
    They also pay very little sales tax. At the grocery store, they have the clerk do 3 different transactions, one for the WIC purchases, one for the food stamp purchases, and one cash transaction (for the beer and imported soda pop). The ONLY thing they pay sales tax on is the beer and soda. Sometimes there's "church assistance", sometimes food bank also.

    The woman in the story is not atypical at all. They have as many kids as fast as they can for, basically 2 reasons; to get more in social support payments, and to increase the "compassion" factor.

    We just need to enforce the existing laws, NOT make new ones!

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    April 5, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    No one gets deported in Utah and we as citizens know this. That is not an excuse anyway for stealing.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    I commend Diane Christensen for having the courage to write about an "inconvenient truth" for which many obviously have little tolerance. She seems to truly be a compassionate conservative, but I fear that there will be retribution from the State Republican Party for so openly expressing a view that doesn't align with their purist ideology (but which aligns more closely with the Church's position on immigration than nearly all of the comments to her article do).

    Our immigration system is broken. We need to address the difficult, draconian process to legally immigrate going forward, and we need to address the undocumented immigrants currently here in a practical and compassionate way. I don't necessarily think that there needs to be a "path to citizenship", but there certainly should be a path to legally documented status.

    The following words are etched at the base of an iconic symbol of our nation:

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    It saddens me that we apparently don't advocate this anymore.

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    April 5, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    It is not unchristian or inhumane to want to get rid of illegal immigrants by deporting them or having them self-deport. There is no better way to keep illegal immigrant families together than deporting them to the countries of their origins.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    It would be nice of the Deseret News would print some stories about the thousands of American families that have been broken up by the influx of cheap foreign labor into the American economy. If the concern was actually for people and not commercial profits, American business would have a different view of immigration and use of people who are desperate to find a better life.

    If we really wanted to help those people in foreign places, we would change our foreign policy from killing people for profit, to one of legitimate business trade and support.

  • Laura M. Warburton Huntsville, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    I don't think Diane or myself are advocating an endless line of people unable to become citizens. Just the opposite. Both of us want reasonable reform that takes in consideration of family and respect. Our laws are ridiculous and fly in the face of the American dream for which the Constitution was created in the first place. It's our tolerance of our socialized system with ss numbers and total control which is NOT Constitutional which most people are so angry about because they see undocumented citizens taking advantage of. I can no more defend a law that is so out of the original intent of the Founders than I can defend our socialized system, obamacare, or anything else that is clearly anti-Constitutional. But, that's not how those that are angry see it. They just see that they are taking money from our socialized system and they are mad. Naturalization is clearly a federal duty to regulate for the land of the free and home of the brave. The irony is lost on so many.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 5, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    I don't hate people here illegally, but those who have lost a job or had wages drop might resent them and their criminal activity. I feel there is a lack of respect and compassion by those here illegally and business towards America and it's people. Many are here to scam every cent they can get from the taxpayers of this country.

    How do we know our laws are bad? They have not been enforced for many years

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    There are many stories just like this about people who didn't think about the consequences when they illegally came into this country and stayed, trying to take advantage of our system.

    Most of them probably are good workers and good family people but they are doing it in the wrong country. They should be in their home country where they and their families are not always in fear of ICE and they are not vulnerable to unscrupulous employers and others in this country.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    What's dehumanizing is allowing them to stay, to get substandard jobs, to live in constant fear (like your friend), to allow them to remain in the status of what essentially boils down to a third class citizen. Our system for immigration is broken beyond comprehension, but that doesn't mean you break every law you happen to disagree with. You don't not pay taxes because you think the govt. wants too much. You don't run a red because it shows up at an inconveinent time.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 5, 2013 8:00 a.m.


    You wish the media would focus more on the minority of undocumented immigrants who commit crimes rather than on the majority who simply want a better life and are willing to work hard?


    The media is bad-news biased. There is ample coverage of crime.

    What about the billions unducumented immigrants pay in taxes which don't get refunded because they don't file tax returns?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    April 5, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Of course people who violate our immigration laws are still human, but they are still here "illegally". They don't deserve to be mistreated, but we don't have to roll out the red carpet for them either and thus encourage others to follow their same path. Jobs, education, and government benefits should not be available to those who sneak across our border or overstay their visas.

    Just like all the people who cut in line in front of you at the ticket office, the grocery store, or at the bank; these people are not evil but they still hurt those who are following the rules and waiting patiently in line.

    You can argue all day that our legal immigration policy needs to be changed to allow more people to come here, but insisting that our existing laws are followed is not being cruel.

    I wish the media would spend half the time showing the ugly side of illegal immigrants (crime, identity theft, billions of taxpayer $, etc.) as it currently does with stories like this one.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    April 5, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    Instead of putting these type of articles up, wouldn't it be more prudent to warn people? Tell those arriving that they are making a mistake. Encourage those here illegally to return home. Tell them to warn their family of the hardship caused by coming here illegally.

    With the Internet, people can read this paper all over the world, and media encouragement is partly responsible for the pain and suffering. Along with business, organizations, churches and other pro-illegal groups, you are the responsible parties. You should clean up your mess, not the American taxpayer.

    April 5, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    This puts a face on people here illegally. It's amazing how many here illegally use the "can't return" and "no one there to return to". It sounds like they were coached. If the parents are here illegally, wouldn't the family be returned? Let's start being rational, they came to a new land, where they knew no one. What is the difference? Bolivia accepts many refugees from it's neighboring countries. It's a place to go for refugees, not a country on our asylum list.

    We have the act of coming here illegally, a misdemeanor, if they overstayed a visa, visa fraud. Plus social security theft, id theft, and perjury (felony i-9) it's multiple felonies.

    We can't let everyone in that wants to come. A billion people would destroy this country. 12 million people all at once will stifle our social services. Seven amnesties have proven that allowing people here illegally to stay, just makes the situation worse and encourages more people to come here illegally. I am sorry your friends didn't come here legally. Bolivia doesn't have that long of wait for green cards, and work visas are even shorter.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 1:50 a.m.

    We have legal immigrants that come here according to the law, over a million a year. It's not a stretch for people to call those who come here illegally illegal immigrants. It's not to dehumanize people, it gives their status in this country. An illegal phone line, illegal meth lab, illegally built fence etc. La Raza fought the legal word, still in use illegal alien, now they are fighting the very word they told us to use instead. Undocumented is a slap in the face to Americans, they have documents stolen from American citizens.

    It's to bad that articles giving a face to the other side is few and far between. Americans have seen there wages depressed, their identity stolen, their social security numbers used illegally, their jobs taken (pity the legal immigrant, that comes here and loses their job to someone here illegally) Americans are subsidizing people here illegally to the tune of 113 billion each year.

    I know construction companies owners underbid by another with illegal cheap labor. People leaving the hospitality, cleaning and construction jobs they held for decades because their wages were depressed into poverty. Look at the victims on the other side.