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  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    April 4, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    There will be a lot of black market healthcare as a result of obamacare.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    " they are higher than when Bush was in office and have been for years now."

    Only if you cherry pick the dates. Gas was certainly higher at times under Bush than they are today.

    Under Bush they hit over $4 per gallon. Was that Obamas fault, or was it the global economic collapse perhaps?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    April 3, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Re: HVH

    Not quite sure I understand your point. I said that Democrats will get credit for any good Obamacare brings. Like for instance, insurance companies not being able to dump a person just as soon as they get sick or denying coverage altogether because of pre existing conditions. Those things I do believe are good policies and want them enforced. However, there is a lot of potential bad with this plan and the Republicans had nothing to do with it.

    Gas prices? Did I miss todays numbers? Unless they have dropped by about a dollar a gallon today, they are higher than when Bush was in office and have been for years now. If you want the Democrats to get credit for that, be my guest. As far as kicking the can down the road, please. The Harry Reid U.S. Senate won't even approach the can, much less kick it. At least Republicans in the House have tried to put forth a budget. You can't deny that unless you are watching MSNBC and nothing else. In which case, welcome to the world of "low information voter". You are now a member.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Health care premiums have been rising steadily.

    maybe Obamacare is not the solution, I dont really know.

    However, at the rate the premiums are rising, it is obvious to most who actually LOOK at the issue, that SOMETHING must be done.

    The last plan that I remember the GOP really pushing looked pretty similar to Obamacare. And Orrin was a staunch supporter then, as was the Heritage Foundation.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic:

    We can do with neither a democratic, or republican plan. Let local areas handle it.


    Do you think people will make more money for less subsidy?

    Where do these subsidies come from?--Those already being responsible, and have already been paying. Poor welfare people don't pay into the system--the successful do, and it's going to cost them.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    I'm sure Democrats would be willing to change little details in the bill that aren't working as well as intended, maybe if Republicans would quit the grandstanding with their 39 or so attempts to get rid of the entire thing perhaps they could fix some of them.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    regardless of whether costs were going up before Obamacare or not, BO said his plan would reduce costs, He lied.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 3, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    To "Happy Valley Heretic" yes they have, the GOP have been mediocre socialists for quite a while. I wish that they would just stop trying to be like the Democrats, and would actually be conservative.

    If more people realized that it is because of government that healthcare is so expensive we would elect officials with plans on how to get government OUT of the way of the insurance companies.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @worf-- you're saying premium rates wouldn't have risen without Obamacare?

    @SCfan--"So, everything that goes bad with it will be 100% on the doorstep of Democrats."
    Like gas prices, will everything that goes right be 100% credited to the Democrats? I doubt your sincerity.

    What was the Republican plan again?
    Oh yeah kick that can down the road.

    Yes Redshirt, the Republicans have been striving for Mediocrity for some time now.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 3, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    To "sigmund5" you are wrong. When you look at the WHO report and what they use to measure the healthcare systems, we should look at being 35th as a badge of honor, and should strive to do even worse on the socialist policies that the WHO looks at.

    The fact is that in the US we are able to respond to medical needs faster than anybody else in the world. For most cancers we have the highest survival rate, and when factoring out accidental deaths, the US has the longest lifespan. The US also has the most advanced medical facilities and technologies anywhere on the planet. So, why should we destroy that system just so that the WHO can tell us we are better than somebody else?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    For Whatever, I don't know that the T-Party has ever proposed a solution. However, that does not mean that this Obama solution is what we should be doing. Truth is, I hadn't noticed any more of an increase in health care than I have with everything we pay for such as gas. What I have noticed is in some cases not only is the cost going up with Obamacare, but the types of coverage for certain procedures is diminishing. That is a worry we all should be concerned with.

    For Liberal Ted, The term "Low Information Voter" is really becoming clear, isn't it!

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 3, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Worf: Yet again, you go off point from what you or I posted!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Promises Promises

    If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    But, every election cycle. For some reason people become stupid and gullible and believe what the candidates and the media feed them. If you ask a question then you are labeled a trouble maker, a bigot, racists, sexist etc. If you stray from the talking points, you are hunted down, humiliated and they'll dig all the dirt they can find on you.

    After all politics is big business and alot of money goes into it, to keep certain people in power and in authority.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    All of you who feel the need to comment on how bad Obamcare is, could you please tell us what the tea party solution is? My insurance costs go up every year without fail. Every year I pay more money for less coverage, and I have since 2000. If the market solution is so great, why is it that costs have only gone up and the amount of coverage has gone down?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    The joys of Obamacare. You just took a cut in hours by your employer, your losing your home, so you sell to just lower your debt load, you lose six percent of your equity to the agents that sell your home and now surprise, Obama (care?) shaves another three percent of the gross sales price as a tax. Obama (care?) like most tax policies of the progressives and liberals end up driving up the costs to survive for the lower middle class and the poor. No one with a straight face can say this does not raise the costs for middle class and the poor.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Re: Gregory Hill @ sigmund5

    Obama care was passed without any time to really understand the 2500 pages and or debated. Clearly this legislation was not written during that session of Congress, but was sitting in some drawer waiting to be dusted off when the time came to pass it. Truth is, it never would have passed in its current form if there had been any bi-partisan work done on it. So, everything that goes bad with it will be 100% on the doorstep of Democrats. 100% of any good also, but I suspect that we are in for a lot of bad surprises. The law of "un-intended consequences" is going to rear its ugly head a lot in the coming years with this program. And if America is only 35th in the world on medical care, then why do so many people from all around the world, including Canada, come to America for medical care?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    xscribe-- you're saying premium rates won't rise?

    With over half our people on welfare, --define affordable.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Surprise will be the operative word for Obamacare. Like Pelosi so eloquently said you have to pass it to know what is in it. Well we will have to live it to find out what is in it. Good luck to all.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    To quote Ben Rumson from the movie 'Paint Your Wagon', "They civilize left, they civilize, right, till nothing is left. Till nothing is right. They civilize freedom till no one is free. No one except, by coincidence me." Truer words have never been spoken. It is an exact description of Obama Care.

    Since I'm within 400% of poverty level, I'm frankly scared.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 3, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    Worf, this is for people who get federal subsidies - which you complain incessently about - and the more money they make, the less the subsidy - which should make you happy!

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Sigmund: ".Now we have an ideologically driven political realm where reality and facts don't matter.". That's the point... Reality and facts flew out the window long ago.

  • sigmund5 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    I think the word "surprise" is a questionable word to use here. Obama's reforms are very very moderate and provide modest regulation of the market...it is not a take over or socialist. The Facts are that we spend 200-300% more on our health care system than other industrialized countries and our outcomes rank 35th in the world. All of these countries have either a single payer governmental system or heavily regulated industry. These are the facts. While people go on about adopting business model and having businessmen as politicians what company would not adopt the best practices of other companies that have 300% lower input cost? America used to a pragmatic country that looked at a problem and made decisions that were practical and based on facts and science. Now we have an ideologically driven political realm where reality and facts don't matter. For facts on this check out the Frontline documentary on PBS "Sick Around the World". It shows how systems in 5 countries work. This is not a liberal site using liberal facts. It relies on WHO, UN and governmental statistics to show we have the 35th best system in the world.

  • Gregory Hill Richboro, PA
    April 3, 2013 5:53 a.m.

    The President did keep his promise. He sponsored a health care plan that gives everyone an opportunity to buy health insurance with group pricing designed to keep premiums fair and reasonable, and tailored (for the working poor) to a family's ability to pay. The administrative wrinkles and glitches in any new program need time to work themselves out. If people earn a bit more than anticipated, and have to give back part or all if the subdsidy the received, they should be grateful for their good fortune and improved life. They are still better off than when they had no access to affordable health insurance and no subsidy to buy it.

  • Phred Ogden, UT
    April 3, 2013 4:49 a.m.

    "They're all free today, Cherry pie, Cream puffs, Ice Cream, Treacle Tart. Here we are children, Come and get your lollipops, Lollipops, Come along my little ones.Come along, kiddie-winkies!"

    The Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

    Oh how seductive are the freebees of government giveaways and how great the cost to freedom.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 2, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    What a shame! Many people, having been responsible with paying health insurance, will be paying more.

    Obama! Why didn't you keep your promises?