John Florez: Treat education as we treat business

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  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Education should not run like a business. We don't need schools to compete with each other. We need schools to share ideas that work with each other. If a idea is worthy from a charter, private or public school, it needs to be shared for the sake of our students. Parents need to get involved and COOPERATE. Plus, children aren't widgets. If they come to teachers defective (in the sense of having challenges, issues perhaps with uneducated parents who might be abusive etc.), schools, at least public ones, can't send them back. Teachers have to work with the product given. We don't want teachers not sharing with each other worried about how they might be compared with other teachers. Again, we need COOPERATION. Capitalistic principles in certain things are good, but not in all things. Again, the business is education and when I see charter school advocates aspiring competition, I'm not sure that is exactly what is ideally needed. Of course, a spirit of cooperation is what needed and a true partnership between parents and teachers for the sake of the students is needed.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 30, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    I agree with the first poster!

    Businesses rule!

    Privatize everything! Stop steeling our tax monies! When I was on welfare and food stamps, no one gave me a helping hand!

    So that's why I think we should privatize everything. Privatize the police, fire department, and military. Cut everything! No more EPA! No more Feds drug testing anything! If a drug does harm, just let the free market decide its fate!

    We need to gut the federal government and everyone needs to stockpile guns! Amurika will rise once more!!!

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    March 30, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    We can't run education like a business without increasing the funding by about 50% to get Utah education up to the average level for this country. We don't expect businesses to operate on 60% of average funding; why would we suppose that education can operate on less than 60% of average funding. Note that this years legislators and Governor brag about a 2% increase in funding, but it would take more than a 50% increase to get us up to average.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    If we treat education like a business...

    will the GOP finally bail it out like they did Wall street?

    'Univ. of Maryland study finds Fox News viewers to be misinformed on key issues' - By Ryan Witt - Examiner - 12/17/10

    "Over 40% of respondents said President Obama started TARP even though was signed into law by President Bush on October 3rd of 2008." - article

    'Bailout is law' - By Jeanne Sahadi - CNN Money - 10/04/08
    'NEW YORK -- After two weeks of contentious and often emotional debate, the federal government's far-reaching and historic plan to bail out the nation's financial system was signed into law by President Bush on Friday afternoon.'

    'Bush signs $17.4 billion auto industry bailout package' - By Nelson Ireson - Motor Authority - 12/19/08

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    If some or more policy decisions involved actual educators, I think that would be a step in the direction. One Old Man put it well above, the vast majority of teachers deserved medals rather than derision. Is it no wonder we can't retain good teachers? Is it any wonder that a scant few males are seeking going into the profession? Also 10CC and I have now both posted on the crucial flaw in our education which is the assumption of the two-parent household of involved parents from a homogeneous culture. Utah has got away with huge class sizes in past generations because of these factors. However, Utah is quickly changing, and Utah's teachers are facing huge challenges. Stacking them deep (30 plus in elementary classes and 40 plus in secondary classes) and teaching them cheap is going to have negative repercussions for this generation of students. We need to wake up and smell the hot chocolate!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Businessmen are traditionally at odds with public education. Businessmen would prefer their workers and consumers to be uneducated and unprotected in business transactions.

    Hence the downhill slide for American public education in favor of the cheaper foreign labor.

    However, the American higher standard of living making prices higher in the U.S. makes a better market for the goods and services.

    The only thing is, in America we have a government that is charged with protecting the people and therefore at war with the unscrupulous businessmen.

    Businessmen tend to be republicans and so in the locals where we see republican controlled governments, we also see public education being put down in favor of business profits.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 30, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    It's sad to see the Legislature fumble and stumble with yearly legislation aimed at finding the silver bullet for education, and trying to ram through whatever agenda the external group Parents for Choice comes up with (anyone remember vouchers?) when the elephant in the living room is class size.

    The uncomfortable reality is the best teaching, and the best learning, is from a highly skilled, passionate educator, with a manageable class size, where expert educational skills can be applied to every student. We can mix in technology as an adjunct, but anyone who thinks we can just have the kids sit down at a computer and become geniuses is missing the boat.

    The Legislature needs to create a goal to get class size down to 20 by the year 2020, and we're simply going to have to step up and fund that effort.

    The historic model of having large families, assuming every family has a stay-at-home mom, and having faith that the kids will all turn out OK is leaving too many kids behind, and it's going to bite us if we don't take education more seriously.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 30, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    " right to steal money from one person to pay for the education of somebody else" once again taxes are stealing money. Seriously? Never mind that taxes are specifically allowed in the constitution and that every great society has partly been defined by it's public education system. No public education, no workable democracy. And by the way one of the greatest people I know is a fourth grade teacher in your county. I'd be proud to have her getting my tax dollars to educate my children. I think you may have eaten too much Cobbetts Pond pizza and it's clouding your vision.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 30, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    When I was teaching, we often thought exactly that. Get out of the way and let us just TEACH.

    But if somebody is really smart, they'd know that not all the problems in our schools are the fault of the schools. They wouldn't be calling our schools indoctrination centers because they've been listening to too much hate radio and have been gullible enough to fall for the lies they hear there.

    There are things called parents, who don't give a hoot. We have a national culture that largely places more value in entertainment than in education. There are large segments of our society where children face overwhelming obstacles such as homelessness, totally dysfunctional families, hunger, poverty, and so many other blocks to effectively learning that instead of condemning those who try to teach in those places, we should be awarding medals instead.

  • SomebodySmart Hudson, NH
    March 30, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    The government never had any right to steal money from one person to pay for the education of somebody else. Run it like a business? Yes, but a business has competition, take away the government-protected monopoly of the government-run indoctrination centers. If the school teaches students all wrong, inadequately, or fails to protect them from bullying, they go out of business. Also, like the gas stations, they would be available around the clock, so you wouldn't have to turn down a job just because of a schedule dictated to you, the parent, by the bureaucrats that don't want to work.