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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 30, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    Far East USA, SC

    A 47% er perhaps?

    I actually come across many many people who decry the 47%, but either dont know, or ignore the fact that they are one of them.


    It's retiring soon.

    Ask him if he plans to practice what he preachers, and NOT file for the evil, dirty Socialist Social Security and Medicare.
    if he's paid in, and and now claims "entitiled" to it.

    Taker, 47% AND a class-A Hypocrite.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    March 30, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    I'm sure they don't need training videos, especially not funny or fun ones. It probably cost an extra 5k to make it funny. No funny videos!

    If we could get a little patriotism out of conservatives when it comes time to pay for wars it would probably knock the Earth off it's rotation. There's trillions of dollars missing at the DOD. Next.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 30, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    "but they think nothing of demanding that others pay for their private welfare via government transfer of wealth. "

    Mr Richards,

    In the past, you have described a time when you had to determine which bills to pay as you had 7 kids (is that right)

    I am guessing that there were many years when your Federal income tax bill was pretty close to zero.

    A 47% er perhaps?

    I actually come across many many people who decry the 47%, but either dont know, or ignore the fact that they are one of them.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Don't forget the four nuclear warhead fuses we mistakenly sent to Taiwan...:)

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 30, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    I say give her her money back!

    $60,000 / 350,000,000 Americans = 1/5000th of one penny.

    BTW -
    I'm perfect fine with her getting that 1/5000th of one penny back,
    just as soon as I get my $10,500 back from the Bush/Cheney wars.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    Even after listening to this partisan blather for years, it still astounds me that everything can be reduced to liberal vs. conservative. Who to blame has become the most significant question discussed on EVERY topic. I just checked "blame" is not a word found in any of the founding documents of the republic er...democracy or whichever the "good" guys say it is. What a waste.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    March 30, 2013 1:20 p.m.


    The broad brush you use to characterize liberals undermines any credibility you might aspire to, and any sense of Christ-like values you espouse.

    Liberal here, Paid $50k in federal income taxes last year, including the refund I got.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Let's see...

    Sixty thousand dollars for a lame training video,


    Twelve billion dollars (at least) in stacks of $100 bills on shrink-wrapped pallets that were airlifted to Iraq in 2005-2007 by the Pentagon and for which they can provide absolutely no record of how it was used, to whom it was given, or why. The money is simply "unaccounted for." It just disappeared into the two trillion dollar black hole known as the the War in Iraq.

    As an American taxpayer, my personal "share" of the lame IRS training video is six one-hundredths of one cent.

    But my "share" of the missing pallets of C-notes is $120, and my "share" of the whole misbegotten war in Iraq is $20,000.

    Guess which waste of money makes more sense to complain about?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 30, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Mike Richards -- I'm a retired old man, but I still managed to pay a higher effective tax than Mitt Romney.

    When your "conservative" friends in Congress stop pulling pork dollars in for the own districts while screaming that we have to cut spending, then I might take you folks seriously. Until then . . . . . . . . . . .

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    March 30, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    "countless Internal Revenue Service employees"


    Yep Carolyn, them thar revenuers are thicker than fleas on a dargs back.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    @Mike Richards

    "Look how the liberals mock when its not THEIR money that is being spent"

    I looked at my W-2 and the amount I had taken out for federal income taxes is larger than the amount I got back in a refund so I'm not a 47%er. You're just assuming which is silly because deeply conservative Mississippi is the state with the highest percentage of people in the state among the 47%. Considering only half of 47%ers even know they're in that category (based on polling) I'd suggest you conservatives compare your federal income taxes (only the federal income tax, not any of the others like state or payroll) to your tax refunds. I bet some of you are in the 47% and don't even realize it.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    March 30, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Look how the liberals mock when its not THEIR money that is being spent. They don't seem to realize that forcing people to pay anything to for non-essentials is wrong. Oh well, they have listened long and well to Obama's rant on his mythical "rich guy". As far as they're concerned, they can just sit on their couch and demand that somebody else feed the lions. Little do they know (or seem to care) that the "ringmaster" is looking for more "fodder" to feed his lions, and that they are next in line.

    They rant about the cost of war, which is an authorized expenditure for Congress, but they think nothing of demanding that others pay for their private welfare via government transfer of wealth. Boy, do they have things backwards. If they were as frugal with government spending as they are with their own charitable giving, the federal government would have to make do with a 2% tax rate.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 30, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    $60,000? Lol. This outta make your head spin--yet where is the outrage, let alone the news coverage on this:

    "Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon's money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S.
    Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
    And before the Iraq war, when military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet "for pennies on the dollar," a GAO official said."
    (Sfgate 2003)

    "Serious financial management problems at the Department of Defense (DOD) that made its financial statements unauditable."
    (GAO 2012)

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    I think it is a poorly done and silly training video for its employees. Like the one character said in the move Stripes, "Lighten up Francis!" Conservatives need to lighten up a little bit, do a bit of research. Again, it wasn't the best use of tax dollars per se, and if I worked in the IRS, it would be somewhat silly to have to sit through something like this. But that was its purpose but to to take it beyond that is ludicrous. I think the two unfunded wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were bigger wastes of money (and tragically took too lives of many of our great servicemen and servicewomen as well)...

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    I don’t think refunds for the reasons you mention are given. However, you can avoid future undesirable taxes by giving up your voluntary citizenship in America.

    If you choose to keep your membership, you will be expected to share in the costs of the government which may include the support for things you don’t like.

    Don’t ever stop expressing you opinion about the bad things in life, although the politicians don’t like it, it supports Democracy.

  • Martin Blank Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Considering that a low estimate of non-essential, non-defense spending by the Department of Defense is $6 billion dollars, I believe Mrs. Nelson's outrage, while admirable, is misplaced. Let's rein that in before we worry about the pennies in the IRS's couch.