Looking at history may hold the answer to reducing gun violence in America

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Re: cjb Bountiful, UT

    There is no reason to take the constitutional gun rights from law abiding people. There is no legislation currently being considered to do that.

    You might read the legislation and re-consider your thinking on the issue, unless you favor anyone, regardless of criminal record, mental instability, terrorist affiliation, and extremist anti-government political sentiment (to name a few categories), from owning any type of weapon they want. But, then, say that and don't say something false like eliminating "the constitutional gun rights from law abiding people".

    That's just poppy-cock!!

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    March 30, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    How many of the myriad of gun laws are laws prohibiting enforcement of or restrictions on other gun laws? People keep saying that there are more than enough gun laws, but they neglect to tell you that many of these laws were passed under the direction of the NRA to reduce the effect of existing gun laws they had decided are not in its interests. Included in this effort is to disallow studies on gun violence and the real impact of gun violence on people's lives.

    This includes the laws passed to limit restrictions on who can have a gun. Although the NRA talks about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally-unstable, this lobbying organization gives lip service to the restriction and while working to make sure the 2nd amendment rights of the mentally-unstable, criminals, terrorists, and potential traitors are not infringed.

    The bellicosity of the NRA leadership and the paranoid-psychotic ranting about the black helocopters and the need to defend ourselves against a democratically-elected government might suggest that we really need to be concerned about that organization and why they oppose universal background checks.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 30, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Re LDS liberal

    So what is the point if Chicago has the lowest (or highest) handgun deaths since the 1950's?

    If their hand gun deaths are not what they ought to be, then let CHicago deal with the the violent people in their own city. Their handgun deaths is not a legitimate reason to take constitutional gun rights from law abiding people in other cities or in other states.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 29, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    I heard on KSL this morning,
    that Chicago has had the LOWEST number of handgun deaths since the 1950's.

    But you'll never hear the pro-gun lobby admit that the gun laws there are working!

  • Perfice South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    I'm not sure how the author came up with the low number of gun homicide's for 2011. The CDC reported more than 11,000 in 2011, not the 6200 reported by the author. The total deaths by gun in 2011 was over 30,000 which nearly matches the traffic fatalities, the difference being that the vast majority of those were accidents. If one third of traffic fatalities were deliberate we would be having a completely different discussion.

    The statement, often thrown around that the gun violence rate has dramatically reduced in the last 20 years is not true. It is not dramatic and has only dropped per capita slightly. The actual number of gun homicides has been increasing over the last decade, from the 9000's in the late 1990's to the 11000's currently.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 28, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    "Prohibition didn't work in the 1920s and by any measure it has failed today". If this statement is something you're going to use for an argument please, please let me have the kind of access and rights to use and transport liquor that I enjoy for my handgun.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 28, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Aaron's proposal is worthwhile. It's always best to go for the root causes. Interesting that the most responsible voices in Utah GOP are coming from the Wasatch Back, Mr. Gabrielson and Representative Kraig Powell. Now if only Utah County would secede....

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 28, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Aaron Gabrielson is the chairman of the Wasatch County Republican Party.


    A Moderate Centrist Republican, in Utah?!


    If the Drug problem in America is to be blamed on drugs coming from Mexico,
    Then the Gun problem in Mexico is to be blamed on Guns coming from America.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Thank you Lew Scannon

    Europe must be a wonderful place to live. No rapes, no murders, no one being beat up severly using knives or bats, therefore no reason to defend one's self from these things.

    We really must take a look at our society and do all we can to make our society more like theirs. We are really fortunate to have Europe as a model in the world, otherwise we might think that such a society was an impossibility.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Perhaps we could focus our efforts on trying to create the sort of society where people do not believe they need a gun to be safe. I've lived in such a society, in Europe. I could walk the streets at night in the ghetto of the country's largest city and feel safe. Yes, they had strict gun laws. But they also had a culture that was strikingly less violent than what we have allowed to blossom here in America. Guns are a symptom of our real illness, not the illness itself. And mental illness is not the illness either.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 28, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    The causes of gun violence are many, as Aaron Gabrielson reasonably argues. It's unfortunate that it takes the issue of stronger gun control being revived to finally motivate us to consider doing something about those causes we should have been paying attention to all along.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    America has been fighting its war on gun violence with the same intelligence it has been fighting its war on drugs. A quote I ran across the other day sums it up. Consequently we are losing both wars.

    "Adam Lanza commits a crime, and I'm here to grovel and plead for my rights?"
    A quote to Connecticut lawmaker spoken by Robert Steed, a resident of Vernon, Conn after the shooting in Newtown Conn.

    In other words, when criminals misuse guns, America targets the law abiding instead of targeting those who commit the crimes or providing necessary treatment to the mentally ill capable of commiting such crimes. Candidate Obama said the following when he first ran for president, "I am not against war", (speaking against the war in Iraq), "I am against stupid war".

    I agreed with him at the time and as a partial consequence of his saying that saying, I voted for him. I just wish he would make use the same critical thinking and intelligence when it comes to controlling (gun) violence.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 28, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    For a change in my opinion Aaron is not totally wrong. Gun violence has gone down dramaticly over the decades. I think there are two factors at work here. One is the percent of famillies who have a gun in the house has also gone down dramaticly. In the 50's it was over 50% of households who had a gun. Today it's around 34%.

    Even a casual observer can see, dramatic tragedies aside, most gun violence is perpetuated by criminals on criminals and regualar citizens self inflicting, either accidentily or on purpose. Of course the right promotes a third category wihich is criminal on regular citizen. While this third category occurs it's not the probable danger that most citizens face, and the decline in households owning guns is witness to the fact that most citizens have come to that conclusion.

    So let's have a reasonable discussion about how to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill who may not habitually commit crimes but are more likely to commit one horrific crime and how to limit the damage they can do.