SG- I agree. It's funny to read some of the comments from some who think
that because wolves were mismanaged and killed to the brink of extinction by man
decades ago, that they shouldn't be given another chance again in their
historic environment. If I started a cattle operation in the mountains of the
west, I would know that I would lose a few animals to predators. I would also
know I would lose twice as many to the elements, and even a few more to poachers
or thieves. Why do ranchers get compensated for losing a few of their herd? It
was their decision to set up shop where they did. If I set up shop in a bad part
of town and had higher theft numbers, would the feds compensate me for that, or
laugh at my decision on where to set up shop?Wolves were in the west
before ranchers and landowners. As stated above, it's weird how before man
intervened, that elk, moose, and wolves co-existed without trouble. Cry baby
ranchers and hunters shouldn't have the say in what happens to an animal
that was on earth before them.
I agree with xscribe’s original comment that this was generally a
poorly-written article. It is really more of an op-ed snippet than an objective
news article, and its placement next to the article about Senator Hatch’s
efforts to “de-list” wolves amounts to nothing less than a smear of
wolves on the DN’s part.I don’t think of the wolf as a
particularly noble or a particularly vile animal, just as I don’t think of
elk as either noble or vile; they are both simply wildlife, and I enjoy viewing
wildlife, especially megafauna like elk and wolves. I do, however, think that
the extirpation of wolves in the early 20th century was both ignoble and
vile.The funny thing is that, prior to the 1800s, when man began to
intervene, wolves (and other apex predators) and elk (and other ungulates)
coexisted in more or less stable populations for millennia. In light of this
fact, the claim that reintroduced wolves will singlehandedly decimate Western
United States elk populations in a few short decades (or indeed, at all) rings
pretty hollow to me.
Mountanman: Your question did not ask about Yellowstone National Park, did it?
I have seen with my own eyes deer and elk with only their heads cut off, with
the rest of the carcass left to rot. Now, if you'd like me to believe that
it was a wolf that did that, that is your perogative. Also, if only viewing
something makes you an expert, then we are all experts at lots of things,
aren't we?However, it seems you would rather argue about
whether or not I have seen something exclusively in Yellowstone - again which
your question did not ask about - rather than what most of us know: This is
mostly about whether or not an elk herd is going to be around for your hunting
enjoyment, and secondarily about farmers' and ranchers' animal herds
@ Xscribe. Nice try but there is no hunting in Yellowstone Park so none of your
theories about hunters killing the elk hold any water. I have never seen a
hunter kill an elk and leave it to rot, but I have seen where wolves have done
it and so have dozens of other people who actually get out in the mountains.
Being a wolf "expert" without observing a wolf is like being an
erotologist without observing an insect.
Mountanman: I have seen all of the above. As to the dead carcasses laying on
the ground, I have also seen that, only with just their heads cut off for the
trophy antlers. I just don't think it was the wolves that did that. This
isn't all about wolves and what they hunt; this is trying to find a
scapegoat for why an elk herd might be dropping because it is taking away a
person's thrill of going out and shooting an animal, no different, as some
say, from a wolf's thrill of killing an animal!
Xscribe. Have you ever actually SEEN a wolf in the wild? Have you actually SEEN
dead elk carcasses laying on the ground with only the rear ends eaten out and
the rest left to waste? Come to Idaho and I will show you what you the truth
This was a poorly written article, with zero facts or figures stating that
wolves are the main cause of the decline, and not a mention as to whether or not
the decline is good or bad. But what the article did mention was that wolves,
man, bears, and other predators, and varying weather conditions, all have played
a role. Now look at the posters and see which predator they choose to be the
culprit. And why? So they can play their little game of let me get a gun and
go shoot a defenseless animal. I particularly liked this little gem:
"Wolves do not kill to just eat, they kill for the fun of the kill."
Huh! Wonder what other predator does that?
We have wolves running out our ears here in Idaho and just like Yellowstone, our
elk population has fallen below the biological sustainability (recruitment) rate
in many areas. We are allowed to hunt wolves here but their numbers are still
increasing in spite of wildlife managers attempts to control their population.
Last week wolves killed a cow elk within 2 miles of my home and for the first
time in anyone's memory, we have yet to see an elk this winter. As in
Yellowstone, our elk here are in serious trouble.
Complete and utter nonsense posted above by people who have no understanding of
Yellowstone and its elk and wolf history. Instead of facts, they post
histrionics. The elk herd in Yellowstone has been beyond the park
range's carrying capacity for years. Winter kill of elk has been
tremendous as a result. Now with help from wolves and some other possible
climatic factors, the elk herds are reaching toward a more natural and better
If you are one of those people that love to see animals in yellowstone, the door
is closing extremely fast to do so. Wolves have decimated the herds, you
can't find moose anywhere and as mentioned in the article Elk are going
fast. Buffalo as big and strong as they are, are also on the menu to be
decimated. It's time for us sportsmen to unite before it is too late, after
all look what a small group of "wolf lovers" have done to destroy our
herds. Utah's herds will also be victimized if nothing is done.
Numbers decline from what? I have read where there are more deer and elk in
America now than there was when the pilgrims landed. I have also read where
naturalist say that the ecosystem in Yellowstone is very healthy and they feel
the reintroduction of the wolf is one of the reasons why. I don't want
hunters, NRA, or some environmental groups dictating what our National Parks and
wild places are. As a society, for future generations, we have decided that we
will try to have areas managed in as natural state as possible. We have to let
our naturalists and scientist be the ones who do this.
If you were to open up a year around hunt on wolves you would not get rid of
them. They only way to reduce their numbers is to go back to how they got rid of
them the first time, poisoning them is the only way to reduce their numbers. Utah has spent the last 20 years building their elk populations, just
wait and see what the population will be in 10 years. Wolves are going to
decimate Utah elk herds, wolves do not kill to just eat, they kill for the fun
of the kill.
Nobody cares about the decline of the elk. Everything wolf "experts"
told us about wolves is a lie.