I have to take a hunter safety course to get a hunting license in Utah. If I
join the military or law enforcement, I have to have extensive training on how
to safely handle a firearm. But if I'm a private citizen in Utah, I can
carry a gun anywhere with no training or certification whatsoever?!! HB76 is a
public safety nightmare. Governor Herbert should veto this reckless bill!
Truthseeker"Why do so many in UT feel the need to carry a gun? I
thought UT had a fairly low crime rate, no?"Maybe is low because
we CAN carry? I mean, crime is higher where citizens can NOT carry, like
Chicago, no?one vote"This bill promotes the mentality of
needing a weapon to deal with society."No actually, it promotes
the idea that society should look after itself, bad guys have guns, and so,
society should, too. Not to mention, this is America, we have the RIGHT to bear
arms.Irony Guy"Last two years 2155 people were denied CC
permits because of their background. Without the CC permitting process, we will
all be dealing with about 1000 new armed psychos a year."Right...because every psycho out there applies for a permit before buying or
stealing a gun, and committing atrocities. By the way...they were not all denied
for being "psycho", so your numbers are wrong to start with.Gov. Herbert, PLEASE sign the bill, you know it is the right thing to do under
I agree with the this article. Please veto this bill the way you vetoed that
silly sex education bill, governor. After the veto we can start asking what is
wrong with our state legislators.
Re: "Do you have a suggestion on how one might stop a deranged serial killer
from purchasing a gun?"Literally nothing can be done to stop a
determined killer from getting one of the 300 million or so out there. And even
if we did, there are still so many other items out there that can be used as
weapons, our illegal banning efforts would have no appreciable effect on the
serial murder rate.Best thing we can do is make sure we don't
deprive those of us who are willing to stand up to him the tools necessary to do
" Liberal "solutions" assume you're a deranged serial killer,
and make you prove otherwise prior to exercising your Second Amendment
rights."Do you have a suggestion on how one might stop a
deranged serial killer from purchasing a gun?
@UtahBlueDevilHow can one know when they will be victim of crime?How can one know when a crime will occur around them?One
doesn't know these things.That is why one must be prepared.And crimes do not occur where criminals know it is not good place to
commit crimes.Guns, or the possiblity of guns is a deterrent. Threat of a
state punishment is not.Stop the infringement. Live with real
freedom.Infringe = to reduce or limit.
Re: "The permit process stops a lot of impulsive emotional conceal and carry
to the ex's house."Yeah, right. Someone emotional enough to
pack heat for a trip to see the ex [that's called "premeditation"]
is going to be deterred by not having the proper permit.We'd
all love to see your statistics on that.
PDonty:Being denied a conceal carry permit won't stop every
whack job from illegally carrying a gun. But at least it makes it illegal for
them to carry, and that will certainly stop some of them.How many
crimes have we seen carried out with fully automatic machine guns since the 2nd
Amendment was curtailed by making machine guns far more restricted? The West
Hollywood bank robbery in the late 90s comes to mind, have there been others?
I don't understand why this is not a daily occurrence. If
machine guns are outlawed, shouldn't all the outlaws have machine guns, or
something like that? Why has this not worked out that way?
One Vote,I would think the Police already consider that at every stop, if
not they should not be cops. If we really want to protect our children then we
should make alcohol and drug related incidents harder on people who are
convicted of crimes while under the influence. There are more deaths each year
as a result of alcohol and drugs than guns.
The media elites charge that this bill "...would sacrifice a measure of
public safety" but that it totally false. It is a hypothetical fear, the
same one they expressed in 1995 when they oppose allowing people to get permits.
In reality, criminals do not bother with permits, or any other
restrictions on their stealing or carrying a gun or committing crimes.Every Utahn who is legally able to possess a firearm can ALREADY carry one
legally, as long as it is (a) not concealed) and (b) "unloaded" as
defined in Utah law.This bill only changes that so that the same law
abiding citizen can cover their gun if they choose (or weather demands). Public safety is in no way threatened by this bill, and opponents are
just wrong, as well as misinformed.Governor Herbert should sign this
Wow, the Dnews is acting like a real paper all of a sudden. Good job!
This bill promotes the mentality of needing a weapon to deal with society.
These concealed weapons are not for sport, but solely to aim at and kill other
people. The permit process stops a lot of impulsive emotional conceal and carry
to the ex's house. It may maybe aimed to make a political statement, but
will result in a extra gun aimed at someone if passed and more accidental
deaths. Police are going to have to assume anyone stopped for traffic matters
has a .45.
"Last two years 2155 people were denied CC permits because of their
background. Without the CC permitting process, we will all be dealing with about
1000 new armed psychos a year. Our legislature has passed the point of being
nutty bananas--they are now a public danger."What's keeping
these "1000 new armed psychos" from carrying a gun concealed WITHOUT a
permit? Will these hopelessly deranged people NOT carry a gun because they
couldn't get the permit? Do criminals get to the door of a bank, see a
"No guns allowed" sign, and turn around and leave because of the sign?
Re: "Each person in this country who wants a car can have one if . . .
."NONE of the listed items is required to buy, possess, sell,
ride in, or give away a car.That's the difference between REAL
rationality and every "sensible solution" anti-gun liberals offer.
Liberal "solutions" assume you're a deranged serial killer, and
make you prove otherwise prior to exercising your Second Amendment rights.Imagine the liberal outcry if we assumed everyone entering a crowded
theater would yell "fire," making everyone undergo a background check
before every movie, with anyone whose background check doesn't prove he
would properly exercise First Amendment rights being required to don a gag,
muzzle, and handcuffs prior to entering the theater.That's
every bit as "sensible" a "solution" as sophomoric liberal
suggestions that every transfer of a gun requires a pointless, painful
background check or that rifle cosmetics and magazine lengths must be strictly
limited.Note that not a single tragic death liberals love to exploit
to advance their deranged "solutions" would have been prevented by them.
To "Doug10" your example is out of date. They do more than what you
describe, and if they did only what you describe are breaking the law.I wish that you and the liberals out there could explain how making legal
purchases harder makes things safer. Will it prevent guns from being sold on
the black market? Will it prevent criminals from getting guns? In the real
world, criminals will get guns.As for this law, how does it make
Utah less safe? I can already open carry. The only difference between this and
the open carry laws is that I can now wear a jacket over my gun.
"This bill is the ideal signal of our hope that common sense, practicality,
and decency can be restored to an otherwise deranged political
landscape."Having citizens shop for groceries to ward of crimes
that aren't there... that is the image of "sense, practicality, and
decency"?I have never in my life thought that a gun to be the
symbol of decency... but in Utah...
Last two years 2155 people were denied CC permits because of their background.
Without the CC permitting process, we will all be dealing with about 1000 new
armed psychos a year. Our legislature has passed the point of being nutty
bananas--they are now a public danger.
@ truthseeker;The reason is people in Utah (the majority, anyway)
respect the governing document for our country (i.e. the Constitution) which
clearly states that having firearms is a protected right.@ Doug;Though I agree that all people who have firearms should be trained, the
Constitution guarantees that people have that right. That right should not be
infringed, but all across the country that part of the 2nd amendment is
ignored.I agree with Anti Bush-Obama; let people decide for
themselves. As for me and mine, we will keep our firearms. If you'd rather
be defenseless and disarm all other law abiding citizens, I pity you and your
naivety. Laws and bans have only hindered, not stopped, criminals and their evil
actions. So please, don't force all the law-abiding citizens to give up
their rights in the false belief that it will somehow change people who are
already breaking the law.
You can't force people to give up their Guns. If you want less Guns, You
need to let people have their freedom to choose and when they see the wisdom of
giving up their guns of their OWN FREE WILL, they will be all the better for it.
I guess I'm not really pro-gun after all. But what I am is pro-free will.
Taking guns by force will NEVER work and will always fail. It has to come from
the gospel principle of letting people make their own choices and not having the
government forcing them to do anything. Government needs to be out of this
debate entirely because they are the problem not the solution.
Why do so many in UT feel the need to carry a gun? I thought UT had a fairly
low crime rate, no? Maybe Ut just wants to be in another "top
10" list, along with Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming--"States with the
Highest Rate of Death from Firearms."
Doug, you are in Utah. Your ideas make way too much good sense.
A good friend who had been living outside of the country for 8 years had his
background check for a job take 3 months once they found out what country he had
been residing in.When he went to purchase a hand gun, his background
check consisted of the store taking a photo copy of his drivers license and he
walked out the door with his new gun.I wish that each person in the
state who wanted a gun would get one but only after they had been trained.Each person in this country who wants a car can have one if:1.
they are responsible enough to afford it2. become familiar with the laws
to make it safe for everyone3. get a license4. get insurance5.
behave responsible and properly when operating their vehicleInstead
of lowering the states standards why not raise them and make it safer for
I don't always agree with DN editorials. This one,however,is absolutely
right. Please, Governor Herbert, veto this silly bill.
If Utah is, in fact, the "spiritual gun capital of the world," why does
the LDS church ban guns inside its houses of worship?A veto of this
bill will indeed be the ideal signal of our hope that common sense,
practicality, and decency can be restored to an otherwise deranged political
Re: "Please veto, Utah does not need to be the gun capital of the
world."Better yet, Governor Herbert, please SIGN the bill.Utah, already the spiritual gun capital of the world, because of the
immense contributions of the Brownings, should pursue gun manufacturing
opportunities now being made untenable in other states and nations, becoming the
REAL gun capital of the world.This bill is the ideal signal of our
hope that common sense, practicality, and decency can be restored to an
otherwise deranged political landscape.
If not vetoed, this law wouldn't allow anyone to carry a gun ... who
isn't allowed now to have a gun. This law would only affect the law
abiding. Restricting the law abiding from keeping and bearing arms, will not
make us safer, in fact the opposite is true.I recommend the state of
Utah put on its website, training videos on the legal use of guns in Utah, along
with the rules of gun safety. We all have a responsibility, individually and as
a state to help ensure we do this in a legal and safe manner.I also
recommend that public service announcements advertise these training videos and
encourage people to make use of them.
Please veto, Utah does not need to be the gun capital of the world.