@ Eric Samuelsen:You asked:What part of 'well
regulated militia' do you not understand?I respectfully respond
by asking:What part of 'the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms, shall not be infringed' do you not understand?These
issues are ALWAYS open to debate, depending on your perspective.
Patriot -- Communist? Where?Except for those imaginary ones who may
be hiding in your back yard, I don't think there are very many real ones in
@patriot"We have already seen a credit down grade due to our debt
"They gave three reasons.1. Not enough spending cuts. 2. Not enough revenues. 3. Not enough surety that Congress will meet
it's debt obligations (interest on debt payments, i.e. uncertainty about
the tea party blocking debt ceiling increases).
Re:PatriotFYIAs recently as 2007, Spain had the euro
zone’s fastest growing economy. Spain ran budget surpluses in the years
from 2005-2007. Its debt to GDP ratio fell from 50.3 percent in 2000 to 26.5
percent of GDP in 2007. There is no remotely plausibly story of government
profligacy here.In short, people who describe the euro zone crisis
as a story of excessive government deficits are pushing an ideological agenda
that has nothing to do with reality. The story of the current deficits of the
non-Greece countries is the story of the collapse of housing bubbles that threw
the euro zone economies into a severe downturn. The European Central Bank (ECB)
has magnified the problem by maintaining relatively tight monetary policy in
order to maintain very low inflation and also explicitly asserting that it would
not act as a lender of last resort to the heavily indebted countries.
Patriot,The credit rating was not downgraded due to debt. It was
downgraded because of fears that our political system believed not cooperating
was a sound economic policy. It wasn't Congress or the President who were
at fault, it was both, and moreover the American people for voting in
"leaders" who fail to see the value in compromise and cooperation.At any rate, that all has nothing to do with the article's topic,
which is legitimizing the self-described paranoia of some gun owners.
re:JoeBlowThe stock market was doing great in 1929 too Joe and then
came Oct 29th of that year... the rest is an ugly history of 10 years of
depression. My point is this .. BIG DEBT like ours is not sustainable and by
itself can and will bring the entire economy down. It has already happened in
Europe with other socialist counties like Greece and Spain. What is looming on
the horizon ..perhaps 18-24 months... is a credit adjustment due to our insane
Obama debt. We have already seen a credit down grade due to our debt and
uncertain future and now those that lend to the US may change the rules again...
jack up their lending rates .. which will then be passed along to the rest of
us. You could see mortgage interest rates spike up sharply perhaps as much as 5
percent in one adjustment. The reason our lenders would jack up the rates is
simply because they have no confidence in our long term debt solution and for
good reason... we have a president who doesn't think we have a debt problem
coupled with the insanity of not wanting a balanced budget.
patriot,I was responding to YOUR post about how much a socialist
Obama is. Your post said nothing about deficits etc. The stock
market is certainly a judge of how corporate America is doing. And when
business thrives, it is obvious to most that Socialism is not thriving.How about this. Dont make a blanket statement that "Obama is a socialist
and wants the government to run everything" Get specific. Because guess
what?When you get specific, I will show you how previous GOP
presidents such as Reagan and Bush have done exactly the same things.
Anti-liar,Please point to the scripture, be it from the Bible, Book
of Mormon, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gītā, or any other form of sacred
text or text written as revelation where I can see God or any of his messagers
stating, "I give unto man the gun; may it never be taken away from
him."God doesn't care if you have a gun or not.
Red Shirt..The Examiner, Breitbart, and Fox News..seriously? Breitbart alone
has been caught twice in the last two weeks publishing as news articles from the
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a
right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for
whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld
under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken
to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in
sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing
conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. [United States v.]
Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at
the time finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying
of dangerous and unusual weapons."Supreme Court Justice Antonin
Scalia, D.C. V Heller, 2008
"liberals forget that there are police chiefs in liberal cities telling
their citizens to buy guns to protect themselves because the police can't
respond quickly enough."RedShirt, can you tell us who these
chiefs are? I did a google search and couldn't find any. I did find a lot
of police chiefs arguing for gun control. "New York's
Governor has already said "first registration then confiscation"
"patriot, is that his actual quote? And can you provide your
source for this quote? Also, patriot, you make a lot of claims about
what President Obama wants to turn this country into. You say he wants to turn
this country into some USSR communist utopia. Really? Well he only has a little
over three and a half years to go, he better get started if that's his goal
shouldn't he? He doesn't have much time left in office.
re:JoeBlowI notice a pattern with you Joe - side step the entire
comment and fall back to the stock market as if to make the absurd assumption
that a $17 trillion dept and growing FAST is something that can be sustained.
I'm certain you were most likely one of those in 2007 -along with Barney
Frank - who claimed how GREAT Fanny and Fredie were doing because after all home
ownership was at an all time high.... and then came 2008. OUCH!!! Yes sir - the
stock market is going to continue to soar and interest rates will continue to
stay low - pay no attention to that gigantic 800 lb gorilla of debt in the
corner that Barack claims is no big deal. Hear no evil - see no evil ... right
Joe?? Perhaps it would do you good to snap out of your Obamic trance for a
moment and do some actual research for a change.
RealMaverick" It appears that folks like this letter writer and
the NRA prefer the us become a police state where citizens take the law into
their own hands and suddenly everyone now must live their paranoid
fantasy."Do you even know what a police state even is? What you
described is the total opposite of a police state. If the government let people
make their own choices on the matter,everyone wouldn't choose evil. For 1
irresponsible gun owner, there are thousands more responsible gun owners.
anti-liar. (or any others who want to answer)I will make it very
simple. Yes or NO QuestionsShould law abiding Americans be allowed
to carry loaded weapons on airplanes? Yes or NOShould people in a
bar who are consuming alcohol be allowed to carry a loaded weapon? Yes or NOShould a law abiding 18 year old be allowed to carry a loaded weapon to
high school? Yes or NOI am guessing that you will dodge these
simple questions. Surprise me.
To "ECR" and "Open Minded Mormon" lets review some recent
headlines:"Minnesota Democrats pushing gun confiscation bill
similar to Missouri's" - The Examiner"Assemblyman Lists
Gun Confiscation Agenda Of NY Democrats" Breitbart"Missouri
Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms - Gives Gun Owners 90
Days to Turn in Weapons" Fox News"Gun Confiscation Bill
Proposed in California: 'We Can Save Lives'" The Blaze"Oregon Democrats propose gun confiscation bill requiring warrantless
inspections" ExaminerSeems like your ilk are out to confiscate
guns.You claim to defend freedom and the constitution, yet ignore
the fact that your ilk are seeking to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens.
"Barack Obama wants a socialist republic and a new constitution that is not
geared toward individual rights but rather a collectivism or rights of the state
which amounts to no individual rights"Statements that are so out
of touch with reality is why the GOP is struggling for viability.Have you noticed the stock market performance and record corporate profits in
the last 4 years? Obama attempted Socialism is failing miserably.
Redshirt said The ironic thing is that there is no paranoia on the part of gun
owners."Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day.
Have you read the comments above? Kent C. DeForrest
"...let's go out and buy as many guns as possible before Obama comes
and takes them away" Do you really think the president, himself, will be
coming after your gun. Can you give me any example of the president say he
would even think of doing that?And by the way, the author's
claim Lexington and Concord was a battle over gun rights is nonsense created by
Sarah Palin in her twisted interpretation of American history.
@JoeBlowWhat's "nuts" is thinking that criminals have
any regard for gun restrictions. What's "nuts" is disarming
law-abiding citizens so that only the criminals are armed. What's
"nuts" is thinking that the government can or will protect you.
What's "nuts" is denying there are those who would disarm the
citizenry and rob them of their liberty if possible. What's
"nuts," JoeBlow, is denying history.@Open Minded MormonActually, it is your statement that is ironic, since liberal politicians
ARE on record as saying they would disarm law-abiding citizens and strip them of
their God-given right if possible.
How does eliminating the requirement of obtaining a concealed weapons permit
"honor" the second amendment? If anything, it dishonors it. I have no
problem with folks wanting to own guns or carry concealed weapons as long as
proper background checks have been made and they have obtained proper
training.I have yet to see or year a legit counter argument to that.
If anything, this new legislation hurts safety and freedom. It appears that
folks like this letter writer and the NRA prefer the us become a police state
where citizens take the law into their own hands and suddenly everyone now must
live their paranoid fantasy.The funny thing about paranoid people is
that they often hurt the lives of others with their paranoid actions. Do we really want to take our children to malls with folks carry assault
weapons around their backs? Do we really want the untrained and criminal to
obtain these weapons sithout background checks or restriction? How many more
accidentally will occur? Using this letter writer's logic, all
laws should be abolished since they restrict our freedom. Lets just let paranoid
people with guns govern us!
@RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UT"The ironic thing is that there is no
paranoia on the part of gun owners. There are liberal politicians looking to
pull guns out of the hands of legal owners."=========The ironic thing is THAT statement.
The troubl is you've forfeit reason to maintain paranoia.
Just what I need to feel safe out in public - anxious, uptight, paranoid,
untrained (if no permit is required) gun-toting private citzens in our midst.
re:one old mandefine "sensible gun laws". The communist
crowd in this country is pushing hard for gun registration which will then be
followed by gun confiscation according to New York's Governor. Is that
"sensible" in your view? I suspect it makes total sense to any good
socialist to have no guns at all. Keep in mind we have a "bill of
rights" and a "constitution" for one purpose - to LIMIT the power of
the federal government. Do you suppose Barack wants to limit or expand the power
of the feds??
After Nov 2012 election if anyone doubts we are at war with the
"anti-constitution" crowd you haven't been paying attention.
Freedom is at stake - your freedom as well as your children's freedom.
Barack Obama wants a socialist republic and a new constitution that is not
geared toward individual rights but rather a collectivism or rights of the state
which amounts to no individual rights. Make NO mistake there will be NO gun
ownership in this new socialist state - not for hunting and not for self
protection. Open your history book to the old USSR if you want an ugly peak of
what Obama and his comrades are up to. The US has fought communism for well over
100 years and this latest surge is probably the most lethal. The lefties will
roll their eyes and say this is all scare tactics and I suspect they will
continue to say that until the knock comes to their door to take their own guns
away. New York's Governor has already said "first registration then
confiscation". Better WAKE up people because the enemy is most certainly
It's not like Amendments don't have limits. The 21st legalized alcohol
but that sure as heck doesn't mean there can't be limits as this state
is particularly fond of passing. The 1st Amendment talks about free speech but
death threats aren't allowed, nor is yelling fire in a crowded theatre, or
various other forms of speech/expression (we sure as heck don't allow
public nudity for instance). There's nothing wrong with reasonable
regulations and making it so that criminals can't just go to a gun show and
buy whatever they want without having to go through a background check seems
Justice Scalia himself even noted that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean there
can't be firearms regulations. What is unconstitutional is a total ban on
guns but the vast majority of people (including most republicans and most NRA
members) are supporting things like background checks on all gun purchases, and
magazine capacity limits.
The ironic thing is that there is no paranoia on the part of gun owners. There
are liberal politicians looking to pull guns out of the hands of legal
owners.On top of that, liberals forget that there are police chiefs
in liberal cities telling their citizens to buy guns to protect themselves
because the police can't respond quickly enough.Which way is it
liberals, your leaders tell us that the people do not need guns for their
protection, but the police in your liberal cities tell us otherwise.
Forgive us of "paranoia." ======= You said it,
not me.BTW - Admitting is the 1st of the 12 steps.
No, Dont relax until there are absolutely NO gun Restrictions.Dont
relax until we can all carry loaded weapons on planes. And dont relax until
those drinking in bars can be armed.No, dont relax until you can
carry your gun into court or an 18 year old can bring it to high school.Keep on top of things until you can own any and every gun you want, and
carry it any and every place you would like."Let them mock; let
them call us "gun nuts;"" Ok anti-liar. What of the
above is out of line?Or, will you scream "shall not be
infringed" until the cows come home?
What part of 'well regulated militia' do you not understand?
First, let's admit we're paranoid. Second, let's invite
reasonable people to call us "gun nuts." Third, let's go out and
buy as many guns as possible before Obama comes and takes them away. Fourth,
let's be real quiet about the fact that 33,000 Americans die each year from
gunshot wounds, making the Newtown tragedy look like an insignificant little
footnote in history. Fifth, let's be even quieter about the fact that 2/3
of those 33,000 deaths were suicides. This seems like a winning strategy.
SENSIBLE gun laws are not tyranny.
Gun Nuts, and by all means don't "relax" stay paranoid it helps
your cause?I own guns and rifles, I just don't bless them
before I roll them in the constitution and place them under my pillow.I fear to many people have handled lead without washing their hands, how else
can you explain the disconnect.
Absolutely right. Let them mock; let them call us "gun nuts;" it
doesn't matter. We must not relax.