Why are we only talking about guns, and not mental illness?

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    "Republicans could take up the issue and make some proposals. Ideas?"

    Well, there was a budding conversation about how Hollywood glorifies and encourages violence - but since they fund the left and control the narrative - that didn't last very long did it?

    Nope - only one response is politically correct for the intolerant left - everything else is either aggressively silenced or passive/aggressively dismissed as being "bigoted"

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    ..very simple it's called 'opportunity politics' which is Barack's favorite brand. Use some crisis - real or fabricated - to push some other agenda. This is how ALL demagogs work. Barack and his band of radicals couldn't care less about a 'safer America' and their only agenda is to ban all guns in America which is the true socialist - Marxist - communist model. It's all about control and power over the people and the left won't stop until they get their way. Yes mental illness is the 'real' issue with shootings like Sandyhook but you won't find the 'cheer leading media' reporting anything other than banning guns.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 18, 2013 10:49 a.m.


    "I've got to protect my castle from invasion," "good guys with guns are needed to fight the bad guys with guns," etc.) is itself a mental illness, as defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the bible for psychiatrists and psychologists."

    If the DSM defined breathing as a mental illness would you believe it? This is drivel from people that want to get rich from the junk pills that they sell. They don't care how all of these mass shooters were on some form of psychotropic drug when they did what they did. In fact, drugged induced aggression makes even more money for them.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 18, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Let me ask you this question?

    Lets say the anti-gun leftists have their way and the people they want to have guns begin abusing their power. Who's going to stop them from doing that?

    People have guns so they don't have to use them. Because people wouldn't dare turn into tyrants then. Your anti-gun ways lead to tyranny and oppression. But I think thats what they really want. They've been indoctrinated to hate freedom. Some people make bad choices that's life so GET OVER IT.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 18, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    According to the medias twisted view of things, shooters are only "mentally ill" until their court hearing and then they are "sane". If people really cared about mental illness, these guys would be not guilty by reason of insanity, treated, and let go.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 18, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    We actually talk a lot about mental illness. It's just that we have no way of knowing which of the millions of Americans with mental illness will suddenly become violent. And there are lots of undiagnosed mentally ill people who own guns. In fact, as has been pointed out, the most dangerous of them may be the ones most adamant about keeping the guvmint from confiscating their weaponry.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Paranoia, the driving force behind the push for greater access to guns ("the feds are coming to take my guns," "I've got to protect my castle from invasion," "good guys with guns are needed to fight the bad guys with guns," etc.) is itself a mental illness, as defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the bible for psychiatrists and psychologists.

    Here's another symptom of paranoia: The gun rights zealots are "afraid" that if we focused too much attention on the mental illness aspect of the gun violence problem, we might, ironically, end up targeting them.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 17, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    No government program has made health care low cost. It has made it more expensive and passed that 'higher than ever bill' to the tax payers. We have government subsidized drug companies selling hyper-inflated priced mind altering medications, and giving the mental health care providers generous kickbacks from those drugs, most of which are more dangerous than snake oil.

    Concealed gun carriers are enabled to defend themselves and society against those mentally ill whose parents keep and give them access to guns. That is the best protection society can offer. Way better than a cell phone with a dispatcher on the other end.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    March 17, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    The Left cares more about disarming innocent law-abiding citizens, making them defenseless,

    than they care about solving any real problems.

    But then again it is all about control.

    If you want central control over your life and everything, then go Left, otherwise go Right for true individual liberty and answers to real problems.

    Obviously the Left will deny and attack, but what have they done over the last hundred years that has not contributed to government power over you?

    Yes lets fix the real problems, like mental illness and societal and cultural ills, and stop this silly and very dangerous nonsense about guns.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    March 17, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    It is a complex, and as a grieving nation, many are looking somewhere to pin the blame. Guns are scary, deadly, and kill people, and so they seem to have garnered the most heat in the debate.

    Nevertheless, the entertainment industry (with its incredibly violent movies, video games, etc), has a part to play in this, as does the drug industry and psychiatric drugs, which are at least partly responsible for distorted views of reality that lead normal people to do really stupid things.

    Is it something that can be solved with a quick fix? Certainly not...but the fact that these are issues that need to be addressed is something I think most sensible people can agree on.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Hutt, you may really be on to something there . . . .

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 17, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Our inability to talk about gun control at all may be a sign of mental illness in itself.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 17, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    A recent international conference in China was held about how to increase trust and cooperation between nations. The Chinese hosts declared that no progress can be achieved until other nations correct their "mis perceptions" about China, including our not silencing the Dalai Lama, allowing the NY Times to publish articles uncomplimentary of China, even the City of Corvallis, Oregon not destroying a Pro-Tibet, Pro-Taiwan mural on a wall of a private citizen.

    "No progress can be made until everyone agrees with us."

    The gun debate is much the same way here. Maybe if Democrats were to chant in unison "guns are good, guns don't kill people, people kill people, the Constitution guarantees unlimited gun ownership, guns are good", THEN we could move on to other aspects of the problem.

    Everyone needs to gree that guns have nothing to do with mass murders like Aurora and Sandy Hook, then we can proceed.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    All excellent comments -- so far.

    Tackling mental illness and guns will be a horribly complex and expensive job. Are we really willing to do it?

    Or are the pro-gun forces simply hoping to continue raising such a fuss that sensible people finally give up and surrender to the gun lobby?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    The people who want absolutely no regulations on guns are the same people who want to prevent the government from providing low-cost, or no-cost mental health care.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    March 17, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    I don't think that mental health has gone out of the picture. But it seems that this letter is written to suggest a red herring, a way of discrediting those that want to control certain "unusual and dangerous" weapons.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 17, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    The only people making this a debate about guns only are the ones advocating that nothing be done about the access to guns - by anyone. Certainly many of the tragic events of the past several years have been committed by people with mental illness and keeping guns out of their hands should be our first priority. But we would be desecrating the graves of so many other victims of gun violence if we blamed all the deaths on mental illness.

    Our national discourse should be about all the causes of why gun deaths in our country far exceed those of any other industrialized nations in the world and what can be done to stop it. But as long as those who actually profit from gun sales, and those who support them, have their way, the only news we will hear is how the government is supposedly plotting to deny American citizens of their Second Amendment rights. In the end, it is that zealous, narrow focus that will cost all of us our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 17, 2013 12:59 a.m.

    Republicans could take up the issue and make some proposals. Ideas?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 17, 2013 12:15 a.m.

    Background checks would cover mental illness.
    Utah's Constitutitonal carry law would not.

    Utah has the highest rate of mental illness and anti-depressant use in the nation.

    You tell me this isn't a recipe for disaster...