@fortydam"If he was any good he would be starting and playing
more minutes. I can't believe sg in Newhall CA, is making this into a
racial thing. Really"Me neither .. what's even more sorry
is the number of likes that comment received. Jimmer was a good college ball
player ... that's where the buck ends. He's not an NBA level player
whether he's white, black, or green.
If he was any good he would be starting and playing more minutes. I can't
believe sg in Newhall CA, is making this into a racial thing. Really
"Juice Box" - A total mis-fire. Jimmer has not "flopped" and
the students, nor anyone else, at BYU, nor anywhere else, "made him a
God"! Please retract your frivolous and unsubstaniated comments. Totally
embarrassing to thinking people, and to some who don't! Oh my.
Why are so many posters dissing Doug Robinson on this piece? Like all of his
columns, it is well written and entertaining. He doesn't opine that Jimmer
was overrated or is a poor player. Rather, he is simply pointing out that Jimmer
isn't in the news the way he was 2 years ago at March Madness time. Doug
even notes that Jimmer's stats per minute played are pretty good. I'm
guessing Mr. Robinson wants to see Jimmer succeed in the NBA just like the rest
of us Happy Valley fans. We'll see if that is indeed the case soon
enough.Lastly @ "Rational". I hope you don't equate
"success" with income level in all of your human interactions.
Sacramento Kings. Says it all. When I heard he was heading there I knew that was
the end of Jimmer-Mania; for now at least. Eventually he'll move on &
improve professionally. I don't think we've heard the last of him.
He's a good guy & is capable of much more than he's allowed to do
with the Kings, who have been a joke since inception. Give the kid a chance
& give him some time to mature & then write an article showcasing how he
turns out. I'm not a basketball fan so I have no loyalties to any player or
team but it sure is sad to read such a pathetically written article about a good
basketball player. Jimmer seems like a truly nice person; a good player, and
deserves better. Have you considered that it might be time to step up YOUR game?
we all know about getting Jimmered, but few of us know about getting
'smarted'. Getting 'smarted' is where an NBA player gets
picked up/sold to a team with the worlds dumbest coach. To be
'smarted' means you have to play for someone so stupid that no one is
able to teach them that when you have the NBA leading scorer per minute of play,
you sit them on the bench for 35 of 48 minutes each game. After all, when one
gets 'smarted' no amount of statistical facts can move you off your
ignorant position.Yea, Jimmer got smarted. Too bad for him.
Danny Ainge not "tenacious" on the baseball field? You people just make
stuff up, don't you. Ainge broke into the majors with the Blue
Jays at 20 years old -- very, very young in MLB (He is the youngest Jay to ever
hit a home run) -- and while still playing basketball for BYU. Had he chosen to
devote himself to baseball full-time, instead of basketball where he was an
All-Star, a 2-time world champion, and went to the NBA finals as a starter for 3
different teams, who knows how good he'd have become. Ainge was high
school All-American in football, baseball, and basketball, and may have been an
All Star in any of them in the pros. Preferring one sport over another
doesn't mean you lack "tenacity."
On the Bogut, Alex Smith:When healthy, Bogut is one of the top
centers in the NBA. If you don't know that, you don't know
basketball.Smith has had the misfortune of playing the bulk of his
career for a rudderless franchise. Once they righted the ship, he rose to the
3rd ranked passer in the NFL, at one point last season threw 249 straight passes
-- 9 games -- without a pick (A record for a franchise that boasts
Hall-of-Famers Joe Montana, Steve Young). The 49ers just missed the Super Bowl
in 2012, but not because of Smith. We will never know if the 49ers
would've won it all with him at the helm in 2013 instead of Kaepernick.
Doug,Jimmer is continuing to cash checks that in 3 years will add up
to more money ($7m) than you or anyone on this thread have earned in their
careers.How appropriate that this column, drawing those green with
envy, came out the weekend of St. Patrick's Day.
FT1/SS,You say "Jimmer is no Danny Ainge. Ainge was tenacious on
the court, and Jimmer is not."Really? So multiple games over 30
points, highest scoring avg in the nation and nearly the elite 8 does not
demonstrate tenacity on the court? Its amazing to me, and should be amazing to
the likes of you, the lack of critical thinking that goes in to opinions like
yours. There are so many in these posts.
I told people when he was at BYU that he wasn't that great. Yes, he can
score lots of points sometimes after taking tons of shots but 38% is below
standard both in college and in the pros. I have watched him in the pros
taking these unorthodox crazy shots that no one should ever take.It takes
about 3 years to see if an NBA player will be any good or not. He still has time
but he needs a coach to re-teach him.
GoRed, Who asks, "Does Jimmer still play basketball?"Does the University of Utah still play basketball?
Andrew Bogut and Alex Smith as #1 draft busts in the same year is a bigger story
than Jimmer's playing time. But hey, Robinson was bored, so he decided
grind his axe.
Pragmatic, You say: "if he didn't have such a clever,
unique, fun name as "JIMMER" he never would have risen to the greatness
he did. His exposure was based greatly upon his clever name and how it was used
as nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc."Really? So it had nothing to
do with him being the highest scorer in the country, or with the fact that he
led his team to within a whisper of the elite 8? A little critical thinking
would go a long way.
Is this state insane? Damian Lillard will be rookie of the year and Deseret
News is still obsessed with a guy who doesn't belong in the NBA.(Jimmer is lucky to find minutes on a bad team, imagine if he was on a team
with good players, he'd never leave the bench)
Doug, loved your article. You hit the nail on the head - 4 great games then
doesn't get off the bench... how ironic the coach is named
"Smart". This guy will find a spot with another team and contribute
solidly for many years...
I don't mind a twist of sarcasm in reporting or editorials, but the entire
piece? Would you publish just a sarcastic mess on any other professional
athlete? So it sells; just think about some integrity here.
Those dissing on Jimmer haven't been watching the Kings. While Jimmer has
had his ups and downs, he has been extremely efficient and productive with the
amount of time played, yet Keith Smart will hardly give him the time of day.
Cousins is the same way. There is absolutely no question that their is an
extreme bias against Fredette from the coach. Even the local fans and media see
it.The good news is, if the team sale goes through with buyers in
Seattle, it is really unlikely that the new owners would keep such a loser of a
coach that is Keith Smart. The bad news is Jimmer would still be stuck with the
same lousy teammates.
I think it is way too early to call Jimmer anything. He needs to be on another
team. He has skills but he has some deficiencies. But when called upon for say
more than 15 minutes a game he has actually produced. I never felt going to
Sacramento Kings was a good fit for Jimmer. That is an disorganization not an
This is the sad and unfortunate situation created by an owner wanting him
(Jimmer) and a coach not liking him. He needs to be traded. However, this time
(and no offense intended), traded to a team coached by a white guy.Jimmer's efficiency and effectiveness numbers are good. He can do well in
the right environment. Unfortunately, he's not. If Jimmer could sink half
court shots blindfolded, this coach would still not play him. And by the way,
Keith Smart has to be one of the worst coaches in the NBA.
That article lacked substance. It was just a historical narrative of
Jimmer's college career.
Howard,Show me one post by a Cougar fan after 1 1/2 years of Alex in San
Francisco calling him a bust.
Ever heard of Adam Morrison? Hello!
Yeah, Jimmer is no Ainge, but I was comparing situations in general, not
players, and you're right that Ainge was tenacious on the court.
Ainge's tenacity in pro baseball might be questioned, but that's
another story. Jimmer is a player who thrived playing on a cohesive, unselfish
team, which does not describe the Kings. I'm well aware that not all
players who are labeled number 1 in college make it big in the NBA, and perhaps
Jimmer is one that will not, but I think it's too early to count him
down-and-out. Several players have not done well or have not been given much
playing time on the first team they've played for and later have become
star players on another team. And, I remember some sportscasters saying that
the Kings were the wrong team for Jimmer to thrive on. I'd like to see
what Jimmer can do on a cohesive team before deciding whether or not he's
The Utes going to the Dance? Obviously not happening now, and wouldn't
have before the game yesterday. Keep dreaming Ute fans.
@Cougars1Ute fans gave Alex Smith seven years? How many
years did Cougar fans give Smith before calling him a bust? Two?
Does Jimmer still play basketball?
For those saying Jimmer's game isn't translating to the NBA; I would
say it has more to do with his coach than Jimmer. One stat says it all. I
believe Jimmer is 1st or 2nd in the NBA in points scored per minutes played. Way
too early to call him a bust. Utah "fans" gave Alex Smith seven years,
but Jimmer doesn't even get a full 2? Sounds about par.
Love Jimmer and the example he set for my Boys. I wish him the best.
What happened to Jimmer? Exactly what anybody with basketball sense, and experts
stated would happen before he was drafted. A bench player, and very possible he
will disappear after his contract is finished. Jimmer is no Danny Ainge. Ainge
was tenacious on the court, and Jimmer is not.
If "Jimmer" couldn't succeed with a "below average" team
what makes any of you think he could do well with a good team. Seriously. Put him in the Continental League and see how he does. After he crashes and
burns their maybe you'll all realize he would fit in just fine on an
intramural team or a maybe a good Ward team.
I've watched the team play several times (not in Utah) and I will say this,
Keith Smart just doesn't like Jimmer. I believe it goes beyond what goes on
on the court.
Doug Robinson got exactly what he was after when he wrote this article!
Jimmer's current coach will never give him a chance. He'll have to
play elsewhere or for someone else. It is clear that Mr. Smart has his own
agenda which has nothing to do with basketball.
Would I trade Burks for Jimmer? Not a chance. Burks has the skills to be a well
rounded player at three positions (PG, SG, & SF). I remember many caught up
in Jimmermania were mad the Jazz didn't take Jimmer #3 overall. Wow! Kanter
is the better pick there (hands down).
"What ever happened to that guy Jimmer Fredette?" Gee I don't
know, but I bet I can turn on Ksl or read the Deseret news and find out! Jimmer
stories are a constant with these two. Pretty soon he will be just like Chad
Lewis and become that guy that is interviewed during BYUs basketball season! He
is old news. Move on!
Wow. Am surprised to see a couple people hammering you for this article, Doug. I
think it about as well-written a column as I have seen. Thanks. Thanks for the
Reminds me a bit of another former Cougar who won awards, was highly touted, and
then got a slow start in the NBA. Danny Ainge became one of the greats on a
championship team, though at first many sportswriters and fans counted him down
and out. I agree with the local sportswriter that said awhile back that the
Kings players are too self-centered to really play as a team and that's
what keeps them from succeeding. It seems to me that Fredette is a team player.
Put him on a cohesive team and see what he does before giving up on him. Maybe
he will succeed and maybe he won't, but give him a chance. If he then
doesn't succeed, send him abroad. He's still a good player, given the
Jimmer is good, but as usual BYU made too big of a deal out of him; basically
set him up for what is happening now. Also,if he didn't have such a
clever, unique, fun name as "JIMMER" he never would have risen to the
greatness he did. His exposure was based greatly upon his clever name and how
it was used as nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc.
Jimmer averages 41% from 3 pt. range which is better than any of the pt. guards
on the team currently. He is a player who will thrive on a team that uses his
skills. Someone mentioned him under Popavich. That would be my dream scenario.
he would be a great addition to a team like that. It's been fun to watch
how well the Spurs have done with Kawaii Leonard. It would be fun to see those
two play together. I don't know what Sacramento is doing with him and I
don't see them figuring out how to use him because when he's placed
himself in the corner 3 pt. area all by himself I see one of his tunnel vision
teammates put their head down and drive to the hoop. Good luck Jimmer. We still
love you! Best sporting event I've ever been to was the BYU SDSU Bball game
at the Marriott Center. I probably have some permanent hearing loss because of
that game. Success comes at the junction of hard work and opportunity and as
long as Jimmer takes care of the first, opportunity will come.
What ever happened to Billy "The Hill" McGill. There are far worse
things in sport than not having your game transfer well into the NBA.
He's rotting in Sacramento, that is what is happening to Jimmer. Although I never thought the college Jimmer translated to an NBA star, I still
think Jimmer could be an asset on a winning team that needs an 'Eddie
House' type shooters boost off the bench. You know a team that could give a
bench guy the green light when they need it because they are a group who
rebounds, plays defense, and can demand low post attention for a long range
threat like Jimmer. A long range threat is all Jimmer really is at
the NBA level. He can't create his own shot and can't run a team from
the point. However, and again, on a well rounded winning team, Jimmer could be
the spark plug combo guard off the bench.
Howard S.,Great point. I love Jimmer, but I agree with you 100%. Until
Jimmer does something in the NBA can we talk about something a little more up to
date? Doug blew this article. I'm a Cougar, and even I can see that the big
story right now is the Utes in the PAC tournament, and Ziggy in the draft, which
is in April.
EdGradyIdaho Falls, IDWhatever happened to that guy Andrew Bogut?_____________Playing center for Golden State against the
talkinsports,"...the Cougars were on track to make a Final Four
run until Davies was suspended just before the 2011 playoffs began. That
would've been like Utah losing Michael Doleac just before the 1998
playoffs."____When Davies makes the NBA and manages to
stick around for 10 years then you can start comparing him to Doleac. That
comparison of falls WAY short of reality.___________EdGrady"Whatever happened to that guy Andrew Bogut?"____You mean besides having a couple of seasons where he barely missed making the
all-star team? I'll tell you what happened to Bogut, MAJOR injuries. So
tell us again, what's Jimmer's excuse? Oh yeah, his coach ... and this
despite everyone saying New York or Sacramento were the best possible places for
him to land. So now everyone suddenly thinks any other team would be better?
I'm not so sure.
EdGrady,I totally agree with you. Bogut's game didn't transfer
to the physical NBA. Just like Jimmers won't.
SportsFan,Thank you for that unbiased response. I think I will stay
with the all around, athletic and future NBA star! You know the one that can
shoot, slash and play aggressive defense!!!Thanks for playing!
Whatever happened to that guy Andrew Bogut?
Duckhuntee"Would anyone want to trade Burks straight up for
Jimmer?"In a heartbeat!!!On a lousy team that
doesn't have the foggiest idea of how to pass and create assists, Jimmer
averages 7.4 ppg and has scored 878 points in his NBA career. Jimmer shoots 40%
FG, 38% 3PT, (improved to 42% 3PT this season). Jimmer averages 1.6 assists per
game.On a playoff-caliber team that emphasizes passing and assists,
Burks averages 7.1 ppg and has scored 772 points in his NBA career. Burks shoots
42% FG, 35% 3PT. Burks averages 1.2 assists per game.
The Kings? That's the,for lack of a better word-team, that has five guys
that wouldn't know an assist if their coach tried to teach it.
Whatever happened to Jimmer???You must be kidding Robinson... a
quick search of the DN archives for Fredette produces 32 mentions in the 74 days
of 2013. That would average a Jimmer mention in the DN about every other
day.Isn't that enough to keep Jimmer at the top of your
mind?The Utes are unexpectedly in the final four to the PAC12
tourney... not interested in commentary on current events?
Doug, I'm sorry but this is just bad journalism. Your facts are wrong and
you don't point out what a pathetic the Kings organization, including the
coach, is. Jimmer could not have gone to a worse place. Check back in a
couple years and lets see where he is. Jimmer can play.
Would anyone want to trade Burks straight up for Jimmer? Both were drafted the
same year. Burks was drafted after Jimmer.
I just have two things to say: 1) Jimmer is a bust. Don't tell me he had a
shot to be a high caliber player. He's no more of a bust than Travis Hansen
and Rafael Araujo. Where are they now? Also, Jimmer's defense is probably
the worst in the league, which is "bust" material if you're drafted
#10. 2) Doug, this article is pretty pathetic. Asking where Jimmer is is like me
asking where the sun is at night time. It's just a stupid article, man. He
obviously is on the bench. Where else would he be?
Jimmers problem is that he is too small to guard NBA 2's and too slow to
guard NBA 1's. He can become an NBA designated 3 point shooter see Korver
or Riddick. I think if he wants the money he should try Europe. He would fill
seats and be exciting again.
Well....I guess you can blame Jimmer's situation on being with
a terrible team, with a terrible President of Basketball Operations, with
terrible ownership, and a terrible coach ...Or the fact that he
can't guard NBA level players.
This was a very mean-spirited article. Jimmer is still a great player. He has
not be utilized and is on a bad team. I wish the Kings had traded him and given
him a better shot. You can do better than this Doug Robinson. You only invite
the Ute trolls with a piece like this! Go pick on someone else.
This column makes a high school paper sports editor look good, really good.
Doug, did you forget you had a deadline to meet and just write this in ten
minutes without bothering to check the facts?
I am in agreement, bad franchise and bad coach. It is kind of ironic that Alex
Smith went through the same issues as a 49er, yet several BYU fans were more
than happy to throw him out with the trash. More sensible fans will see very
similar situations for both players. Great talent (the best...not a chance)
drafted into a poorly ran franchise and awful coaches. I bet with a change of
scenery Jimmer would be a good NBA player. I hope that Alex does a great job
for KC.Go UTES!!
All I can say is that Jimmer Fredette found himself on a terrible team, with a
terrible President of Basketball Operations, with terrible ownership, and a
terrible coach who has no business coaching an NBA team. Yes, Jimmer could never
be a super star in the NBA. However, he could become a productive player for a
team willing to properly train him on the intricacies of defense and give him
the needed time on the court to develop his skills. If Jimmer had a good
training coach like P.J. Carlesimo, Rick Adelman, or Gregg Popovich, he'd
be having a different NBA career right now. Hopefully, the new Kings'
owners will fire Geoff Petrie and the coaching staff next year along with
players like DeMarcus Cousins (who's an embarrassment to the league) and
bring in a coach who can actually coach. If not, maybe the Kings organization
will trade Jimmer to a team that can see his upside potential and give him a
Doug you are a lot better than this. Please don't write articles like this
just because it gets clicks. Jimmer will be fine when he gets out of
Sacramento or when he gets a better coach. He can still score.
christyIt's fun to see that you're still bitter about all
the times your Utes were Jimmered.Jimmer was 7-1 versus the Utes
during his BYU career, including his single-handed dismantling of Utah in his
last appearance in the Huntsman - see Jimmer Fredette vs Utah January 11, 2011
video on YouTubeDespite your best attempts at rewriting college
basketball history, Jimmer was the best college basketball player in the country
in 2010-11 and none of your feeble attempts to minimize Jimmer's career
will ever change that.We all know that Jimmer and the Cougars were
on track to make a Final Four run until Davies was suspended just before the
2011 playoffs began. That would've been like Utah losing Michael Doleac
just before the 1998 playoffs.
We may never know how good Jimmer could be in the NBA as he was drafted by a
worthless team who don't have a clue how to use him.As for
Chris Bea (for whom EVERYTHING is about the Utes), is this a money-on-the-line
prediction that Utah will win tonight? If they lose, will you promise only to
post on Utah articles from now on???
"She got Jimmered by the wrath of Jimmer Nation."Classic."During a four-game stretch in December Jimmer scored 16, 15, 22 and
10 points, respectively — 63 points in 79 minutes of play. Four games
later, he never left the bench."Seems like 'where he
went' was to a terribly run team that stockpiled too many versions of the
same player (Tyreke Evans, Marcus Thornton, Aaron Brooks, ...) and hasn't
figured out that basketball is a team sport, yet.
Jimmer is great. I hope Sac trades him soon. But don't
forget, the Cougars may not even make the NIT cut. That translates into the
second 100 teams in the country, not in the top 100. Hmm. Let's move on
to football already. Go Cougars!
Did you even do any research for this article Doug? Jimmer didn't average
31 points per game, he averaged 28.9. Robinson has consistently shown that he
knows nothing about the game, all he does is write ridiculous headlines to try
and grab readers when he should spend his time following the games and learning
about the players. Poor writing!
Jimmer's doing fine. He's averaging 8 or 9 points a game. that's
way better than a lot of people in the NBA. He could stay in the NBA if he had
some defensive desire. But he thinks he's a score-er and that's
limiting his time on the court. Maybe he just can't play D?
I'll tell you what happened. When he played for BYU, the students made him
a God. When he left Provo, he didn't get the same publicity as he did in
Provo. His defensive skills were exposed and his parking lot shots stopped going
" .... Meanwhile, big brother is about to go dancing! ... "Keep dreaming chrissy.
Poor @ChrisB. The Utes have had a good run in the PAC-XO tourney but won't
make it much further.
It has everything to do with the Kings coach. I believe he is biased and plays
only black players. I don't think this coach knows what to do with Jimmer.
Sacramento should trade him, or Jimmer should demand it and file a suit against
the organization for creating a hostile environment. What a waste of a draft
pick (almost makes you wonder about this whole 'draft').
Doug, a slow day in sports news? Your article is another good example of someone
your grouping of Adam Morrison and J.J. Reddick together shows a lack of
research. J.J. Reddick is not an NBA all-star but is a regular contributor and
one of the more sought after guys on the trading block this year. Reddick is in
the last year of a 3 year deal worth a total of 20 million over the 3 years
combined. That seems like he's doing well and Jimmer should be thrilled if
he succeeds in the NBA as well as Reddick.
What happened is a bad, dysfunctional franchise drafted him. Jimmer is not an
all star caliber player, but he is a capable, productive bench player that can
give you 13 ppg. He can stretch the floor as well. Don't start in on how
he can't/doesn't play defense, because neither do most of the players
in the league.Given the right system, he will be a productive
player, just needs out of Sac town.