I'm with you "Free Agency" and I'm a Mormon! I'm ashamed
of all of the judgmental comments. If you don't like it, feel free to
scroll on by, but leave your piousness at the door, please.
Congratulations to the sweet young couple, I think many of us would be benefited
by studying what the Savior said about the Pharisees. For example: Luke 11:38
And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before
dinner. 39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the
outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of cravening
and dwickedness. 40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without
make that which is within also? 41 But rather give alms of such things as
ye have; and, behold, all things are dclean unto you. 42 But woe unto you,
Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over
judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the
other undone. 43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats
in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. 44 Woe unto you, ascribes
and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men
that walk over them are not aware of them.
What's the joke about the pile of rocks somewhere in response to "He
that is without sin, let him cast the first stone"?
Why do people use negative epithats to describe judgmenatle people isn't
that hypocrisy in the same phrase. Stake President releases missionary not
mission president. MP may release people dishonorably for disciplinary
reasons.There was a story that Vaughn J Featherstone said allright
to have girlfriend he never gave that talk though. Urban legend. If proposed
before released wonder how focused they were. I would think proposals are
private and you are still missionary tell Stake President releases you.
I have it on very good authority that this elder was one of the most mature and
faithful missionaries in his mission, a great example for everyone who served
around him. A convert, he chose to serve at an older age because of his love for
the Lord and for his fellowman. He is personable, warm, cheerful --- just the
nicest gentleman. He is also concerned about the age at which he is hitting the
job market and the rest of his life. He is, indeed, anxious to get started! They
were engaged to be married when he decided that he should first serve a mission.
His fiance also chose to serve a mission and completed hers a few months ago.
Their plans have been set for quite some time. This was not a complete shock to
him. Their story may not follow the stereotypical line for LDS young people, but
there is certainly nothing to condemn here. Apologies would be in order!!
SO inappropriate on SO many levels. Flash mob greeting a returning
missionary...INAPPROPRIATE. Marriage proposal after 2 years apart...none of my
business, but in general...INAPPROPRIATE. Displaying all this in a public
forum...INAPPROPRIATE. Deseret News, for running this display of immaturity and
lack of sanctity for missionary service and the choice of a life partner as a
"news" story...INAPPROPRIATE.. LDS Living for broadcasting this out to
the whole world....do I have to say it again? Normally I LOVE what LDS Living
offers me in my email inbox, but today you really disappointed me. But hey....
No one can accuse anyone of a failure to launch, right?
THANK YOU T.KORDS!!!! People really need to get a life! Only T.Kords knows
either one of these two wonderful, loving, caring people!! They both went on
missions and have devoted their lives to the church. What on earth makes you
think that they would do anything to demoralize their devotion or disgrace the
church. And as for his parents...Austins mother and grandmother where there at
the airport when Brittany walked off the plane at midnight and love her like a
daughter already. They are very much in love with each other and the church. I
cannot wait to see them be married and start their lives together as I am
Brittany's Aunt and have seen first hand the love they have for each other
before and after BOTH their missions. People need to celebrate the love of two
people instead of critizing things they know nothing about!!!
@Too: i guess the censors at the Dnews don't want the truth out about your
Missionary Handbook claim as I posted last night that what you claim as being in
the handbook is nowhere to be found. Look it up yourself at lds dot org.@Johnny: I hope you don't break your arm patting yourself on your
back. You are our hero. You never make a mistake, you keep every single
commandment there is yet you lack humility.Mission Presidents have
and probably still do release missionaries from their missions on a case by case
basis. I had some in my mission who were released in the field. Honestly, I have
such a hard time stomaching comments such as yours --- claiming to know what God
would or wouldn't do. Pretty arrogant wouldn't you say?I'm always curious as to why people on these threads are so negative and
judgmental. There is nothing to what these 2 did and not one of you can claim
otherwise. Go out and take a walk today in the sun and give service instead of
denigrating 2 faithful missionaries.
If it suits them then that is all that counts.
I have to say, I served in the same mission as Elder Spitler, worked with him on
a number of occasions, and he was an absolute stud of an elder. Super hard
working, very obedient even when surrounded by others who weren't nearly as
much so. He did real good work.On another note, I just have to say that
the "no hugging" thing is a rule that is entirely made up by
missionaries and members alike. Search the White Handbook, it's nowhere in
there. It says to not engage in inappropriate conduct with members of the
opposite gender. Kinda leaves it up to the interpretation of the missionary and
the mission president. So since he was home, probably not that big of a deal.
@Johnny Triumph. I am glad you are so diligent and thanks for the advice on how
to serve my congregation. You have to admit that the comments on here are over
the top. To publicly call out this young man for this is ludicrous. Put your
head down and serve in your callings and let his leaders deal with the situation
how they deem fit.
In the beginning of the article it was said that he was just released from his
mission.Does that mean his Mission President could have released him?
@UtahninAlberta - the stereotype you bring up is very true, but not in my case.
20+ hours spent on my calling each week and 100% HT. As for bigger
fish to fry, everyone is different. There is no way you can callously disregard
this situation and deem it innocent while still caring for these individuals and
working to help them improve. Each person in your congregation deserves your
attention, even if it's for issues that you deem irrelevant. I seriously
doubt the Savior would disregard someone like that, you shouldn't either.
Man you people need to get a life. This is why I am glad we moved out of Utah.
As a leader, there are far bigger fish to fry than to deal with this. I would
bet dollars to donuts that the people casting stones on here are "too busy
to serve" in their callings and rarely do their HT/VT. They can site the
gospel chapter and verse but the rubber don't meet the road.
@KellieBuckner, @rlsintxRationalizing your way out of rules is just
the wrong thing to do. There is an order to things and if the order isn't
followed then problems arise. He should have waited until after his mission
release to propose and she should have waited also, knowing what the rules are.
Your rationale would then also make premarital sex OK as long as the couple was
really serious and commited to each other. If we're hoping to live a
righteous life then we cannot rationalize the rules.@3GrandKeys -
give her a hug, don't get engaged. And your sarcastic view of Godly traits
@@CharlesMissionaries are not released from service while still in
the mission field. They're set apart as missionaries by their local Stake
President before leaving for the MTC and their local Stake President releases
them from that service. The Mission President recommends an honorable release
and sends a letter in the mail to the Stake President stating such, the Stake
President then interviews the returning missionary and releases him/her based on
the letter from the Mission President. Until the missionary is released he/she
must continue to adhere to the mission rules.
Anyone who took the time to criticize this kid for breaking mission rules during
the awkward missionary limbo between the airport and the stake president
interview...bravo. Well done. No really, we're impressed with your
diligence at pointing out the letter of the white handbook law. He definitely
should have stiff armed his future bride and wagged a finger. I'm sad for
them because he's likely now brought a sore cursing upon their future
generations with such a brazen disregard for the laws of God.
He's home and the release was probably a few minutes later. My son landed
at the DFW airport and was released in about an hour after a drive to Frisco.
Really, do you think God cares about some strict mission release rule as
long as the hearts are right and intent of their actions are pure ? Maybe Leave
the judging to those in authority perhaps ? I have 2 friends who did the same
thing sans flash-mob in 1978 and they're still married, happy to this day.
(well, I haven't talked to her on facebook in about a month to be honest)
My mission president and my husband's mission president in our final
interviews before going home both stressed the importance of not putting off
marriage when we got home. I seriously doubt any mission president or stake
president would really have a problem with what happened. It was sweet. So what
if it was a little cheesy? It was awesome. The no hugging/kissing rule is there
to keep missionaries on task and from getting distracted. This guy was home and
I bet anything he got a talk just like my husband and I did when we left our
missions--"Go home and get married!" There's a difference between
the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.
Wow, after reading all the negative comments here, I thought, "Where's
the fun and spontaneity in Mormon culture?" (I saw the video in full on an
Oklahoma website since the DN video wasn't working.)I felt that
this couple had thought things over very seriously about getting married. And
this was a great way to make it "official."Gosh, they gave a
couple of years of service each to the Mormon church. They're obviously
committed Mormons. Can't they be trusted to make these decisions at the
right time for them?Does the guy have to be "released"
before he can hug his girl?Life doesn't always come with a
my-way-or-the-highway manual. That's why it's called
"life."I think I'll show these negative comments to the
next missionaries who come to my door, when I give them my "No thanks."
I'd rather have a joyful life (just as Mormons say we're here to
Just saw it on CNN website, so it's going viral just like the BYU campus
kiss me I'm Irish video shown on the NBC Today Show this morning.
Charles,It's called the Missionary Handbook, AKA "White
Bible". It lists the rules of missionaries, and every single one of those is
in there. How do I know he wasn't released? I'm guessing by
the plaque on his suit. Full time missionaries are told to take the plaque off
when they're released.It's not him having a girlfriend
that's bad. I had lots of comps with girlfriends, but guess what, they
didn't kiss anyone either. However, our area President did send home
missionaries for kissing girls, because it's a severe rule breaking. I can't show you the manual through a computer, but every missionary in
the world has it, and is told to carry it. It fits in the shirt pocket.
@TOO:Again, where is this manual that has the rules that YOU put
forward as fact? I hugged every person that I baptized while in the font, male
and female. I must have been a horrible missionary in your narrow view. I didn't kiss any girls on my mission but I got a new companion who
had a girlfriend. Guess what, he wasn't sent home. I did get kissed by a
few grandma's while on my mission. Should I call Pres Monson and
"repent"?Again, how do you know he wasn't released from
his mission BEFORE he got home? Hmmmmm So please, take your
judgmental attitude and check it at the door. The self-righteousness of Mormons,
particularly Utah Mormons is nauseating. But as I asked before, show
me that manual you speak of!
Charles,1. Hugged a girl not related to him. 2. KISSED a
girl.3. Proposed while a missionary4. Allowed someone to propose to
him, and accepted.Those are major rules that I named one by one.
ok you guys! "Every party needs a pooper, that's why we invited you,
Great to see the judgmental nuts still out on the threads. If everyone could
only be as good as each of you detractors are in your lives. Post it on YouTube
for everyone to see please.How do you know he was released in the
field Nellie? But please list all the "major missionary rules" that were
broken. Name them one by one. I eagerly await your detailed response and where
all these rules are written down. Ready, set, go.
Except Charles, he was not a returned missionary. He was still a missionary and
thus broke some major missionary rules with that little episode. Therefore,
there is no "judging" involved here. Stick to the facts.
First of all very, very weird. Secondly, I think that this was wrong to do at
the airport, right after he got home, and lastly I saw a flash mob with the same
song, and a guy proposing to his girlfriend about two weeks ago on facebook. I
think this girl saw this and copied it. By the way the flash mob I saw two
weeks ago had people, who could actually dance and was kind of cute, this one
some will do anything for 15 minutes of "fame". i'll bet he was
really "engaged" in the work while planning this dopey proposal. i
heard Lagoon was contacted to have their marriage performed on a rollercoaster.
OK, let me do some math here. They met in April 2010, and if he's coming
home from a two-year mission in March 2013 math would indicate that he left in
March of 2011. So they knew each other for a total of less than a year before
he left. While he was gone they had contact of the lovey-dovey type but had no
interactions with each other on a day-to-day basis. Now they are making the
ultimate commitment to each other less than a month after he come back. Why do I see a very high potential for this ending badly?
Nice to know where the priorities are. Kissing your girlfriend when you're
still wearing the plaque is a big deal, buddy. I would be quite upset if I was
his local leader and one of the GAs.They waited 2 years. They
couldn't wait 2 more hours to get him released so he wasn't a
missionary anymore? Says a lot to me.I try not to pass judgment,
but missionaries are the group I think about the most and rule obeying, and this
kid busted a HUGE one.
Isn't it so nice that these 2 returned missionaries didn't have to get
"permission" from Johnny Triumph, Lindon man or SocalReader? They
didn't do this for you, they did it for themselves.If this is
how they want to celebrate the end of their missionary service -- good for them!
If they want to propose -- good for them!As for the overzealous
concern about what the stake president might feel about it, no need to worry
since you aren't his stake president. And in my humble opinion, I'd
bet he didn't give a rip --- so you do you with all your judging?I'm always amazed at how people on these threads look for the negative in
every single situation. I feel sorry for you.
Exactly Johnny. I thought Mormon missionaries were not allowed to hug and kiss
someone of the opposite sex. What's up with that? Cute idea, terrible
timing. Let him be released first.
I, too, didn't see anything "cute" about this. @ Lindon Man and
Johnny Triump, I echo your comments. Give the young man 1-2 weeks to "get
home" and unwind just a bit. The word I thought of viewing the video was
Flash mob? Really???
Just wrong on so many levels!! If this were my son, I would have some serious
issues with this girl!!!! And my son!!!
Glad after two years he felt the same...a lot happens in two years! Congrats!
I hate flash mobs, and this one was terribly unattractive.