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  • Wonder Provo, UT
    March 20, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @cjb -- Yes, even better, we could start putting poor people in debtor's prisons again. That would teach them!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    The best way to help poor people is to lower
    taxes on rich people and raise taxes on poor
    poor people.

    This will increase the standard of living of
    rich people who will then buy more and
    bigger houses, bigger yachts, more
    expensive jewelry etc,

    The poor who due to their higher taxes will
    be even more miserable than they are now,
    this will motive them to look about and when
    they see the wonderful lifestyle of the even
    more super rich, how wonderful it is, they will
    become motivated to go out and become
    super rich themselves.

    Problem solved.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    NO ONE should get back more than they paid in. NO ONE.

    when you have nothing at stake, you do not care how it is mismanaged.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 15, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    To "Truthseeker2" if the Tax Reduction Act was supposed to eliminate welfare, why didn't it? Ask yourself who has added to that program and turned it into a redistribution system?

    If you read what the original act was supposed to do, it cut taxes paid by the poor, and did not result in a negative tax rate. The original bill stated quite clearly that a person would pay no income taxes and the wording is such that they could not get more back than they paid into the system.

    Where did the changes come in, do you have those bills and sponsors and writers that took something that was ok and perverted it?

  • Truthseeker2 SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
    March 14, 2013 9:45 p.m.


    How many children does your niece have? Is she married?

    THE TAX REDUCTION ACT in 1975 created the earned income tax credit, a Republican program that evolved from the conservative economist Milton Friedman’s idea to eliminate welfare and pay the poor.

    Nearly every President since 1975 has expanded the EITC including Reagan and GW Bush.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 14, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    @Ultra Bob:
    "In an economic system that life giving substance is money and wealth."

    Not so. In our economic system it's done through ingenuity, perseverance, and hard work.

    "Our present economic system does not allow sufficient redistribution in order for our society to survive."

    You got it backwards. Redistribution encourages laziness and indolence... which eventually will be our complete downfall as a nation.

    Redistribution recipients love it because they can kick back and enjoy life while they look for politicians who will provide even more of the same (prime example: Barack Hussein Obama). And politicians, wishing to keep their lucrative government jobs, promise and provide more and more redistribution... until we have spiraled down and down into compete oblivion.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    March 14, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Redshirt, you're the first one with your hand out.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    produced by the labor of the people.

    Every on-going system that I am aware of redistributes, recycles, and provides a continuous transfer of the life giving substance to the parts of the system. In an economic system that life giving substance is money and wealth. Our present economic system does not allow sufficient redistribution in order for our society to survive.

    If we are to continue, all people must have a share of the life simply because they are here. Not necessarily because the earned it by making someone else rich.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 14, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    Utah should not pass an EITC bill... Furthermore, the federal government EITC should be repealed. The EITC is a 'refund' of taxes never paid and is another form of welfare but not available for scrutiny by the taxpaying public.

    All welfare payments should be disclosed someplace in a government budget so those who pay taxes can see what's happening to the tax money they pay in. The EITC does not allow that reviewing and tracking process. It's hidden in a recipient's tax return.

  • Che Payson, UT
    March 14, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    Bad idea. Here's one reason why.

    I have a niece in California. She filed her taxes. At the time she didn't make much, so got a refund in full. Her money. Her refund. But wait. There was an extra $5,000 (approx.) included. Why, she wondered? Low and behold, without asking, filing, or anything, our wonderful government gave her $5,000 of someone else's money. She was shocked. Me too.

    This is what you want to bring to Utah.

    I know another family back East. Nobody works. They all live off welfare and have another kid when they need more. What a life!!!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 14, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    It is a nice thought, but in the end it is a transfer of wealth. Thanks to Earned Income Credits, many of those people receive more back in taxes than they paid.

    In much more simple terms, they received money for nothing.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2013 11:57 a.m.


    The former is trying to keep what you've earned through your work.

    The latter sob story is to take what others have earned through their hard work.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 14, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    @ Darrel. Its because welfare has become too easy! Its easier to vote for Democrat's easy entitlements than to work for what you receive! All government welfare has done is to create a permanent welfare dependent class of Americans. Just another form of slavery!

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    March 14, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Excellent letter, and Darrel, excellent response.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 14, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    "Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something so you don't go hungry, you're a moocher?" -John Stewart