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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 14, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    To "Scoundrel" how is it Margaret Dayton taking away the agency of others? If anything she is maintaining it for more of us by not burdening us with a redundant program.

    If you, out of the goodness of you heart, want to provide free pre-school for the poor you still can do that. She won't stop you.

    There is nothing virtuous, lovely, or good about wasting taxpayer money on a redundant program.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 14, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Properly practised, conservative christian values are among the meanest, most punitive and discriminatory set of ideas there are.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    What is compassionate conservatism, anyway? I don't believe I've ever seen it demonstrated -- at least not in Utah.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    To "Wayne Wagner" and the liberals out there. Why do we need a redundant state program?

    Utah already has a Head Start program that pays for pre-school for the poor.

    If your hypothetical poor person works the 60 to 80 hours per week, where is their child? If the child is in daycare why can't the poor person find a daycare that teaches the same things that a pre-school does? If the child is being cared for by a relative, what is wrong with their relatives that they don't teach the child anything?

    No matter how you look at it, once you get beyond the emotional response, the program (even voluntary) makes no sense to establish.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Danny Chipman: "Even if something is 100% federally funded, SOMEONE has to pay for it, and that someone is us taxpayers."

    Do you think that you're _not_ paying for the consequences of poorly educated, sick children? What will it cost us as a society to deal with these kids when they're adults?

    Ever hear of "penny-wise, pound-foolish"?

    If you think health care is expensive, compare it to the cost of illness.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    @Danny Chipman
    There are studies that suggest the investment in early pre-K education pays off down the road in the form of things like lower likelihood of winding up in prison (saving taxpayers money).

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    Danny Chipman
    Lehi, UT

    Then, if we do not pass these bills, what is your solution? Just ignore it? Let our children slip further and further behind? Tell the mother to quit working and go on welfare?

    What do you imagine we should do?

    This is one program that I do not mind paying taxes to support. How about you?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 13, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Great Letter!


    Ah-men, and Ah-men.

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    The only issue I have with programs like the pre-K and Medicaid expansions is this--there is no such thing as a free lunch. Even if something is 100% federally funded, SOMEONE has to pay for it, and that someone is us taxpayers.

    In an ideal world every child would be able to be raised "at the mother's knee" and every Medicaid applicant could endeavor to improve employability to get a job with insurance coverage. I recognize these situations are not always possible, though with some education, sacrifice, and better management, I like to think they'd be possible for more people than is believed. If an efficient, sensible way could be found to run and pay for these programs (and when the gov't gets involved, hah, good luck), then I would happily support them.

    But until that happens, I am leery of passing every good bill just because it's a good bill.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Utah, you're going to get an endless stream of this mean-spirited, short-sighted and shamelessly hypocritical government until you stop automatically voting "R" at the ballot box.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    This letter is dead on, we should demand our legislators frame it and hang it on their office walls.

    There are times when I just shrug my shoulders and view Utah's odd strain of conservatism as a unique cultural trait, like you would when visiting another country. Then there are times when it absolutely disgusts me. This is one of those.

    These privileged state legislators have no clue or concern for those who are growing up in circumstances they have never experienced. This bill was not a handout to irresponsible adults, it was a way to help educate children who were born into disadvantageous economic circumstances. How that is a bad thing, I will never understand.

    But enjoy your lifetime taxpayer provided health benefits, legislators, knowing that the state can afford them now that you have made it more difficult for at risk kids to achieve your level of success.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    This letter is spot on. It would be great to have stay at home mom's but facts are facts and most mothers must work to keep bread on the table. Most mothers must participate with paying for health insurance. No one disagrees with Tulip but it is not reality. Maybe if the Eagle Forum spent as much time lobbying for better wages and benefits for all, the bubble wouldn't seem so small.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    March 13, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    The Eagle Forum continues to be that mesquito in the room that is very difficult to remove.
    These people continue to be imbedded in the midst of the McCarthy years of the twentieth century.
    Members of The Eagle Forum appear to flaunt the fact that they have always been unable to visualize or have empathy for those who don't fit into their ultra right wing conservative agenda. Their yearly disruptions at legislative sessions is an embarrassment for this state.
    Will anyone in that group ever be able to remove their blinders?
    How their influence in Utah state government continues in Utah remains a mystery for the majority of citizens in this state and the nation.

  • Tulip West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 6:34 a.m.

    I bucked the system years ago. My children were the only ones in their kindergarten classes that hadn't attended pre-school. They did quite well and "caught up" just fine. We were as poor as they come but I knew they'd be in school a good portion of their lives and I wanted as many years with them as I could get. I hear what you're saying especially when it comes to single parenting. I don't pretend to have the answers but for me, keeping them under my wing just a little longer was a great blessing. As with all lobbying groups, the Eagle Forum" has its faults, but it is hardly made up of the "evil" wackos many portray it to be. Sometimes the voice of the children need to be at the forefront. Programs will never replace what the home home has to offer (no matter the income level)...

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 13, 2013 6:17 a.m.

    Holy cow!

    Tremendous letter!

    Nothing more needs to be said!

    Amen and amen!