SoonerUteIt wasn't the bloggers who threw Winslow under the
bus.Either he did something egregious enough to be fired or he
didn't.If he did, then Utah officials owe everyone an
explanation of what he did, when he did it, and why it took so long to fire
him.If he didn't, then Utah officials need to explain why he
was fired for no cause.Regardless of the results of the
investigation, it's hard to imagine any scenario in which this won't
look bad for Utah's athletic department, especially Chris Hill.
SoonerUte,Then why was Winslow fired?
No, TroyTown, we're not playing ostrich on this one. Everyone wants their
program to be run in a clean fashion.What a lot of commenters
don't accept is that there are TWO sides to every story. And in this case
there are two stories. One is involves a girl in Arizona; the other involves
charges of abusive coaching methods. You've heard one side, and have cast
judgement based on one side. Fairness dictates that the other side be heard,
and that is what the independent inquiry will do.On 1280 yesterday,
they had an interview with a former Ute swimmer. You could tell the radio guys
were hoping for him to pile on to the allegations of abuse. Instead, he
described them as training techniques that every swimmer participated in. They
weren't punishments (i.e. abuse) dished out to select people. Completely
not the interview that the radio guys hoped for. They, like some commentors,
don't want to believe there a rational explanations for anything in this
story.The girl in Arizona? Different story completely from coaching
I see that SoonerUte and most of the rest of the hill crowd have gone into full
ostrich mode on this one.First, their basketball program; now, their
swimming program. Even they acknowledge that the train wreck on the hill
@sooneruteNo we just expect an "independent investigation"
to actually be independent before we lend it a shred of credibility. I
understand the utah "fan' desire to stick you heads in the sand and get
the coverup in place pronto but I don't think that is going to happen this
time.The problem with hiring a utah alum and board of trustee member
to do this is that the only way it can actually be considered credible is if it
comes back and is a scorching condemnation of chris hill and the university
itself. If it all comes back as minor misteps no one outside of utah
"fans" like yourself that just want it to go away will ever believe it.
Just hire someone that has no ties to the university and all of a
sudden it becomes much more credible. Tell us honestly, if this was
BYU and they hired an alumni and former member of their board of trustees would
think there was a bit of credibility to it? Of course not and neiter would
anyone else other than BYU fans that simply wanted it to disappear. There's
Coug fans think "independent" investigation means they get to do the
investigating.The administration will be cleared. Calm down.
Accept it. Move on to the next train wreck.
I am an embarrased UTE fan. This is not what I expected from Dr. Hill,
I Bleed BlueAlthough not even close to the same level as the
Sandusky scandal at Penn State, the Winslow scandal at Utah does bear some
striking similarities - an administration that received reports of abuse and
then failed to take any action for years until the accusations became public
As a Utah alum, I was hoping this independent investigation would get to the
bottom of who was responsible for this scandal, but after seeing who Chris Hill
hired to investigate the allegations, I'm having serious doubts that this
won't be anything more than a whitewash and we'll never get reliable
answers of why this abuse was allowed to go on so long without anything being
done to stop it.At this point, I would be shocked if Dr. Hill is
forced to accept any responsibility for what went on during his watch.
WhatsnuDon't be silly; a replay review of a fumble is much more
important than a review of swimmers being abused by their coach.Seriously, though, you'd think that Utah fans would want a full
accounting of how swimmers at their school were abused for so long without Utah
doing anything to stop it. It's really quite surprising that they seem more
concerned with protecting their school's reputation, than with protecting
It's curious that Utah fans were so incredulous that a replay booth
official, involved in a controversial decision in a game Utah wasn't even
involved in, had ties with BYU. Yet, they see absolutely no conflict
of interest in this guy conducting an "independent" investigation of the
Utah swimming program abuse scandal:Alan Sullivan- Alumnus of
the Year, University of Utah College of Law (2009)- University of Utah
College of Law Alumni, Board of Trustees (2006-2011)
@silent lurkerI object to the claim that the "investigation"
is being conducted by an "independent" entity when it obviously is not.
How is a former trustee of the Univeristy who was recently named "Alumni of
the year" an "independent" investigator?I suppose it is
possible he could do a fair investigation as I do not know him personally but
tell me this, if this had occured at BYU and they hired a BYU alum, BYU trustee,
who was awarded the honor of BYU alumni of the year, would you consider that
person to be "independent"? sorenson is a noted utah homer
so I don't expect him to bring light onto this, that is why I did it.
I'm actually surprised the Dnews posted my comment. But one
thing is clear by your post, YOU are neither "impartial" or
"objective", you obviously want to run some cover for this sham of an
"investigation". But that is be expected from utah "fans".
Silent LurkerTake off your crimson glasses long enough and
you'll see the very obvious conflict of interest in the attorneys Utah
chose to conduct an "independent" investigation.If you were
really concerned with getting the whole story behind this scandal, rather than a
whitewash, then you too would be questioning the impartiality of the
"investigators".Ask yourself, if one of my kids had been the
victim of Winslow's abuse, would I feel comfortable with the attorneys Utah
has hired to investigate this mess.
Silent LurkerWhy is it that Utah fans are such homers that they
can't see past the very obvious cover up going on at the U?Utah
hires an attorney with close Utah ties and another attorney that Oregon used to
help the Ducks clear up their "NCAA problems" and we're all
supposed to be gullible enough to believe that they'll conduct a totally
@Ducky Why is it that people tend to judge others by their own values? People
who have little faith in the integrity of others tend to believe that anyone
else can have integrity. You imply that the investigation will not be a
impartial and independent if it has a University of Utah alum working on it and
that the DN is reporting the truth or covering it up. Why? Could it be that you
could not be impartial and objective yourself?
Duckhunter"The investigators are certainly not "independent
of the university". One is a former trustee and utah alum of the year. What
a sham."Just because Sullivan is a former trustee and Utah alum
and Glazier is known as "the Cleaner" for his work with helping college
athletic departments that have faced NCAA inquiries "mitigate" the
consequences, doesn't mean they can't conduct an impartial
DuckhunterSo what if Hill hired his best buddy to
"investigate" his cover up. What's the problem?When its
finished, they'll throw Winslow and Oliszczak under the bus (which
they've already done), and claim that Hill was completely unaware of any
reports of abuse within his own athletic department.
Why isn't the Dnews reporting that Sullivan is a former U trustee and an
alumni of the year? That certainly casts doubt on the "independent"
claim of the investigators doesn't it?
Well the drama continues. I certainly hope the next scene is not some Utah co-ed
coming forth and making an accusation.What a mess. I thought Dr.
Hill was ultimately responsible for everything? Now we find out that some
assistant 'mysteriously' resigned in October?3 months
later we now here people saying we will get to the bottom of this with an
independent investigation. Wow.