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  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 12, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    Steve Setzer is wrong. Mass. does NOT exclude more students from reporting. In fact, their minority population is twice Utah's, which should make their record worse than ours. And even when cost-of-living is factored in, Mass. clearly invests much more per student than Utah does. The results show it.

  • Harvey1950 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 12, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    Actually, Utah students score LOWER than peers in other states in every single demographic category. The "average" is slightly higher only because we have a much higher percentage of white, middle income students--yet even they score below their peers in other states.

    While money doesn't make all the difference, it certainly can and will make a difference here in Utah where we spend far less than any other state.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 12, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Children educated in MA and UT are not for the most part competing against each other; they are competing with children from So. Korea, Finland, Canada, etc. and we should be preparing them accordingly. Sadly, we are not because we are not even enlightened enough to recognize the competition and challenges.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    March 12, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Great article! Our education system does very well with what it has.

    It would do even better if we let educators (real teachers who haven't been in admin for the last 20 years) in on the school improvement planning. But instead we let legislators and detached administrators make all the decisions, and they are clueless. Our legislature seeks to add industry leaders to those making decisions. It is questionable whether teachers will even get to give any input.

    We have pressed for 'highly educated, highly qualified' teachers. We have them. Now we should quit tying their hands with legislation directed education. They should be making the decisions, and those making all the decisions now, should be limited to just giving input to teachers. We have it all backwards.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 12, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    If you wish to compare apples to apples, I would start by not comparing Utah to Massachusetts. Other more rural, western states would be a far better comparison. The question is how Utah compares with them.

    As to funding. You can dance all day, but the issue comes to this. Money and quality of outcome are not in lockstep. But neither are they untethered one from another. Money does not mean everything. But it certainly means something. You can only do so much stretching on the same resource before you run out of stretch.

    In very few instances does money solve all of your problems. But in equally few instances can you solve your problems without some money.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    March 12, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    It comes down to this little gem, a powerful group of legislators will never quit tinkering until they have sold off the whole kit and kabodle to private enterprise who will get your statistics up by dropping all underperformers including the disabled. How's that for apples and oranges?

  • trickeyrd ogden, UT
    March 12, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    If Utah would allow Powerball and Mega-millions Lotteries then the would be more than enough money to fund education and repair the state roads. The only thing that Utah stops by not adopting the lotteries is revenue. Anyone who wants a ticket goes to Idaho and gets them anyway.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    how is the birth rate doing. wouldn't that be an indicator of what we'll need to spend.