Arkansas adopts US's most restrictive abortion law

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  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    March 8, 2013 12:46 p.m.


    My use of the legal definition was merely to answer your question. It is difficult to know when a baby is its own life form, so I provided the legal definition. "Viability" is used as a determiner because up until that point, it is not a fully developed life form.

    As to the 8-month fetus abortion--such abortions are extremely rare and are only granted under extreme circumstances. The decision to perform a late-term abortion is made when the choice must be made between the life of the mother and the life of the child. At that point, it's not a choice to murder, but a decision as to who's life to save. In a medical sense, the choice usually comes down to which life they are more likely to be able to preserve.

    As to a neonate, yes they do require constant care, but they are also fully functioning on their own. You dismiss the importance of the change of location, but up until that point, they are inside the mother--the question is when this part of her body ceases to be hers alone. As in real estate, location is everything.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 8, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    @ OHBU
    The laws can say what people arbitrarily want them to say for their own convenience in order justify selfish, irresponsible behavior. For years, laws justified slavery. Why should “viability” be the criteria for whether or not a person can be legally killed?

    At what point a fetus is able to survive outside its mother’s womb is a moving target. Using your definition, then aborting an 8 month fetus (which is legal) is murder since it could survive outside its mother’s womb. Also, since a full term neonate can’t survive without constant care; isn’t it also a parasite? Changing its location doesn’t change its need for care and nourishment.

    Equating a tumor with an embryo is a stretch. The embryo is a separate being. It has its own separate DNA; its own separate circulatory, nervous, skeletal, etc. systems. It is nourished through the placenta which is a mutually joint operation between the mother and child. Unlike a tumor, the mother’s blood and circulatory system are not part of the baby’s circulatory system.

    To be continued:

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 8, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Medical science makes no claims as to when life has remained neutral on the issue.

  • Calbrode Vernal, Ut
    March 7, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Science overly proves that life begins at conception....but, science can only be used to support Liberal agenda.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 7, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    "...There is nothing more sinful to me than killing an innocent person...".

    Falsely accused/convicted yet innocent people on death row in Arkansas would agree with you.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 7, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    Joe Blow, to what poll do you refer?

    JAN 22, 2013

    A new NBC/WSJ poll finds that, on the 40th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision, 70 percent of Americans want the landmark abortion rights ruling to stay. Only 24 percent would like Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    March 7, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    This is good news. It's my philosophy that if you think you're responsible enough to have relations, you should be responsible enough to pay for the consequences. If you think you can pay off a million dollar house, don't get mad at the bank when they come to take it if you can't make your payments.
    There is nothing more sinful to me than killing an innocent person--yes person. People talk about pro-choice. That baby can't choose. How selfish can a human being be?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 7, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    and not a sorry

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 7, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    actually states law does not trump federal law and any state law that violates federal law is null a void sorry but that is the law. Utah could save a lot of legal fees if our state government could just learn this one very basic fact about how our government works.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    March 7, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    JSB, I agree with you, but I think that what Arkansas leaders have accomplished is worthy of commendation. Joe Blow, to what poll do you refer? Anyway, murder is murder and why should it be legal when we know that taking the life of another is wrong? I can see no justification for taking the life of an innocent unborn unless the mother's life is in danger (I've known of that happening) or there is some other truly exceptional circumstance. Don't tell me that I don't know what it is like to have a pregnancy under difficult circumstances because I have been there, long ago, and it definitely didn't ruin my life. I may have even learned something valuable!

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    March 7, 2013 2:26 p.m.


    In the legal sense, your question has already been answered. The fetus is considered a viable human being as soon as it is able to survive outside of the mother. Up to that point, it is more a part of the mother than it is an independent being. In a literal sense, up to that point the baby is nothing more than a parasite (not in the pejorative sense the term is typically used).

    Is the fertilized egg metablizing? Yes. Does a cancerous tumor metabolize? Yes. Metabolism is not an indicator of whether or not something is a viable form of life If you're simply concerned that it's alive, then why stop at conception? Sperm are alive as well, should they be granted rights and protections?

    In short the answer to your question is quite simple: the baby is a human being as soon as it becomes an independent entity. Before that point, it is fully part of the mother's body and it is therefore the mother's right to determine what to do with it.

    By the way, nobody is pro-abortion any more than someone who believes war is sometimes necessary is pro-war.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 7, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Why 12 weeks? At what point in human development does a person become a human being? I've asked this question many times and no pro abortionist has ever been able to coherently answer it. At the point of conception is the zygote alive? Is it metabolizing? If so, what species is it? And, if you kill it, why isn't it murder?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 7, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    The country OVERwhelmingly favors keeping R v W.

    That includes GOP members also.

    This is according to an NBC/WSJ poll.

    Why do lawmakers feel that they have the right to go against the will of the people?

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Good Job Arkansas!

    Some of these states thinking murdering their kids is just fine.

    Utah needs to step it up.

    Also, States rights trump Federal nonsense all day long. Utah should ban murder.

    sorry to all you people out their trying to convince yourselves that murder is ok as long as the baby is still living inside the mother.

    The guilt you are trying to rationalize must be eating you up.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    March 7, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Part of being fiscally conservative means researching these issues and not passing symbolic bills that are bound to be defeated in court, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even if the state has lawyers volunteer their time, when they lose (which they will, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the issue) they will be ordered to pay all court costs and attorney fees for the plaintiffs.