Obama calls for rejection of Prop. 8

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  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    March 6, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    How convienent he happened to change his mind - during election season. If I were an LGBT individual, I'd be pretty ticked that he used me as a pawn to get votes.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 5, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    With football, this would be called a mis-direction play.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 3, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    @Rocket Science -- "Why then is there a need to change a definition that has existed for 1000's of years?"

    The definition of "marriage" has already changed many times over those 1000's of years. It has included polygyny, polyandry, and, yes, same-sex marriages over that time. (For just one example, more than one Roman emperor married men, in large public ceremonies.) There has never actually been one unchanging definition for "marriage".

    "Why can't it be termed as something different such as legal union?"

    Because our country has recognized since the days of racial segregation that "separate" is NOT "equal". If you call it something different, then it IS something different.

    @I Bleed Blue -- "I hope we don't want to 'aspire' to near 30% unemployment; rioting in the streets and empty shelves in the grocery stores."

    Oh, sorry! Folks always seem to start talking about ancient Greece and ancient Rome when there's a discussion of gay marriages. I didn't realize that you meant **present day** Greece -- especially since Greece's current financial woes have nothing whatsoever to do with gay marriages.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    March 2, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    You have got to be kidding me. I hope we don't want to 'aspire' to near 30% unemployment; rioting in the streets and empty shelves in the grocery stores. That is present day Greece. Spain and Italy are not far behind. I would think it would be a priority for anyone gay or straight to have a good job in a stable economy.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 2, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    All things can be made to allow legal and lawful recognition of same sex couples to un-complicate issues such as described by Amazondoc. Why then is there a need to change a definition that has existed for 1000's of years? Why can't it be termed as something different such as legal union? If it could be settled in that way most arguments would go away and there would not be such an issue to further divide our country.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 2, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    @I Bleed Blue --

    Human rights should **always** be a priority.

    And as for the Greeks -- their civilization survived for 1000 years. That's something we should aspire to, not denigrate.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    March 2, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    It's called 'priorities'. Getting a budget done and reducing the deficit will help all of us. I for one do not want to go through the 'Greek' experience. That is what we are headed for if we don't get a handle on our budget. As far as prop 8 goes, I hope people who love each other gay or straight feel like they have equal rights. What gets me upset is that our leaders are not taking care of the crisis and kicking it down the road. That is something this president and congress love to do.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 2, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    This IS a "real problem". Discrimination denies real people the right to real financial and legal benefits, it costs real companies real money, and it infringes on real civil rights.

    More than 100 prominent Republicans have signed an amicus brief in FAVOR of gay marriages. It argues that same-sex marriage promotes family values by allowing children of gay couples to grow up in two-parent homes, and that it advances conservative values of "limited government and maximizing individual freedom." Clint Eastwood, who has also signed the brief, has stated, "Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want." and "(It's) part of the libertarian idea: Leave everybody alone".

    More than 200 companies, including some of the largest in the country, have also filed an amicus brief in favor of gay marriage. It states that DOMA "puts us, as employers, to unnecessary cost and administrative complexity", "especially because contradictory laws in different states complicate the administration of benefits for multi-state companies". It also states that DOMA "forces us to treat one class of our lawfully married employees differently than another" and argues that discrimination undermines their business performance.

    Real people. Real money. Real rights. Real problem.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    March 2, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    @ Dan0

    The person who has really been stonewalling is Pres. Obama. Before the fiscal cliff deal Pres. Obama said during the recent campaign that he would accept a deal that would include a dollar in spending for three dollars in cuts. John Boehner(spelling?) of the House obliged and proposed his plan B which was 800 billion in spending for 1.6 trillion in cuts. Pres. Obama changed his mind and would only accept a bill with out any cuts in spending. That was the fiscal cliff deal. The White House continues to blame Republicans for the Sequester. Legendary reporter Bob Woodward came out and said Obama came up with the idea and he has evidence to prove it. Obama is a great public speaker but when it comes to working with people who don't believe that America needs his Socialistic agenda he will not. That is the reason we have what we have today.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    March 2, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    I guess 5-10% of Americans just aren't important, eh Blue?

    What would you say if you were among that small percent?

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 2, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    For any thing to be sacred it has to have a purpose. Life and the continuance of life is very sacred. So up until now the past has been determined, the future is uncertain, the present is what you have. It'
    s what you do now affects the future.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 2, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    God invented marriage between a man and a woman! We have no right or ability to reinvent, alter or change it! To attempt to do so would put person(s) in opposition with the will of God! Very dangerous ground to trod upon! Dangerous for societies and individuals. Calling those who believe these truths homophobes and "haters" does not change the eternal meaning and purposes of God's laws. As Cecil B. Demille said, "We can't break God's laws, we can only break ourselves against them."

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    March 1, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Sorry that equality isn't important to you, Blue. But it does indeed affect all of us. And the President hasn't left DC. In fact he's met with both the leaders of the House and Senate today and the Republicans are stonewalling. Also, if you want to save some money, the House Republicans have spent millions defending DOMA. Seems you'd have more of a problem with that than the Justice department submitting an amicus brief.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    March 1, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    Anything to avoid working on the real problem we are facing. Instead of worrying about maybe five to ten percent of the population, how about looking after the 100% of us that want Washington to get the fiscal house in order. Get back to Washington, get congress and the senate together and come up with a plan that creates revenue as well as cuts spending. Then we can ALL be happy.