To "atl134" so lets summarize your statments.It is organized
crime that has the guns and uses them to commit murder. And in nations, such as
Japan, Sweden, France and Germany, where organized crime is less prevalent has
fewer gun related homicides.So, why go after guns, when the problem
is organized crime? It is like going after speeders by limiting tire
purchases.So then you also show that without an armed populace you
get the same types of attacks in China that we get in the US. In Japan you have
the Osaka School Massacre wich killed multiple people without the use of a
gun.You want to disarm people so that criminals have an easier time
killing people and so that we are dependant on waiting for the police to show up
before our children can be defended.
According to Ch 6 Soth Sin, 33 came from Cambodia and married Sokkha Chant, 65
to be able to stay in the country.. I see NO deportations and a U visa
I'm not opposed to rules and laws to try to have an orderly distribution of
guns among law abiding citizens. Please tell me though, after we have (perhaps)
taken away or severly limited guns among law abiding citizens, how do we get
guns away from criminals?
Heard on the radio yesterday that citizens of Oakland, California don't
feel safe in their homes.They are armed all the time. They can't depend on
the cops with budget problems and the cops avoiding some areas. The USA Today
had an article about communities in Mexico have taken it upon themselves to
protect themselves and communities because the cops and politicins can't or
won't. Also some 30,000 prisioners where released by the Feds last friday.
So who needs a personal protection gun. If the moral decay of this country keep
going the way they are everyone will. Gun free zone means that there are no law
abiding citizens armed. But what does this mean to a crimal. No one to shoot
back. EASY TAKINGS FOR THE THUG.
@Redshirt"The bigger question is why are you so afraid of guns? You
realize that you are more likely to have somebody kill you with their fists,
feet, or other blunt objects than they are to kill you with a gun."Because someone trying to kill me with a gun has much higher odds of success
than someone attacking me with other stuff. The same day as Newtown a crazy guy
in China went into a school with a knife and stabbed 20 kids roughly the same
age as those at Newtown. All of them survived.
@Redshirt"To those of you that think that taking guns away is the
solution, plese explain why Mexico and much of south and central america have
significantly higher homicide rates with firearms than the US. Those nations
also have more strict gun laws than the US."Drug cartels. Now would you like to explain why Japan, Sweden, France and Germany have
homicide rates with firearms that are way lower than the US despite having more
strict gun laws than the US? Here's the thing though, I
don't really think taking guns away is the solution. What I care about most
is the expansion of background checks to involve all gun purchases. That
doesn't involve taking any guns away from anyone. A limit on magazine clips
doesn't take anyone's guns away. A grandfathered in assault weapons
ban wouldn't take anyone's guns away. We have the highest gun per
person ratio of any nation on the planet (Yemen is second) and that's not
going to change even if Obama gets everything he proposed.
@IJ"The CDC will show you that baseball bats kill > 11 times the
number of people that guns do."11,000 people were murdered with
guns last year. There is no way 110,000 people were murdered by baseball bats
If it there had been no shootings in Aurora and Connecticut these latest
shootings would be mostly local news. Now the shootings make national news most
of the time. They were not headlines before and now suddenly they are.
@bandersenBogus quotes about guns from the Founding Fathers
aren't exactly helping the conversation. I've found a majority of the
gun quotes I find thrown around are distortions or flat-out fabrications.
Cinci ManFT MITCHELL, KY@isrredAnd according to
you liberals, this shooting wouldn't have happened if you took away my guns
and had a background check done on his grandmother. Sheez!Why is it
that conservatives always jump the gun and assume that a remark that
doesn't agree with there way of thinking has to be made by a liberal. Not
true! There are plenty of conservatives that would have made the same remarks
as isrred. It is never a good idea put labels on people without knowing them.
To "Open Minded Mormon" actually most criminals use illegally purchased
guns, so a background check wouldn't do anything.The headline
is misleading. The shooting was in the neighborhood of the LDS templeTo those of you that think that taking guns away is the solution, plese
explain why Mexico and much of south and central america have significantly
higher homicide rates with firearms than the US. Those nations also have more
strict gun laws than the US.The bigger question is why are you so
afraid of guns? You realize that you are more likely to have somebody kill you
with their fists, feet, or other blunt objects than they are to kill you with a
Re: RunnerIn response, there are also laws and regulations
(thousands of them) that make an effort to provide gun safety. Sometimes they
work, sometimes they don't. In response to your assertion that
guns are intended to kill people, that my friend is why police carry them. And
since police cannot be depended upon to provide you with personal safety the
wise founders provided the Second Amendment for the right of the individule to
be armed.And by the way, just what do you propose we do to
"control and monitor" guns? Name you poison. And be honest, you sound
like you mean eliminate them outright for the private citizen, Correct?
Re: Open Minded Mormon "I'll bet mental illness and access to guns will
be the common demoninators."I would further qualify your
hypothesis to "A diagnosis of mental illness, a prescription of psychotropic
medication, and access to guns".A common denominator in many of
the mass killings is that the perpetrators were under medication.Many of these medications will have a side effect of "thoughts of
suicide". It is not a far reach to think that if the drug could cause
thoughts of killing oneself, it could produce thoughts of killing others. Or,
maybe these mass killings were attempts at suicide by cop.We have
become a nation where too many people are medicated. Rather than gun control,
let's control the over prescription of drugs.
Meckofahess - A return to the family values of yesteryear would be a step in the
right direction. A return to the Gospel of Jesus Christ that teaches us to
honest, loving, kind, hard working, charitable, and etc. If everyone in society
would adhere to the Christian values, most, if not all, of this stuff would go
away.It is the I want it, I want it now, and I don't care what
I have to do or who I have to hurt to get it attitude that is escalating this
problem. I hope I am wrong, but I see this thing continually getting worse.
With mothers leaving the home to work and children left to their TV's and
the internet - the children just learn by roaming the streets. If the children
had direction in their lives things would be better.Look up
"Dirt Roads" on the internet. I don't remember who wrote it but
Paul Harvey quoted it on his program. That is where we start.None
of us wish for this to happen and mourn with those caught up in it.
Runner, I ask you to do some research. The CDC will show you that
baseball bats kill > 11 times the number of people that guns do. Do we ban
baseball? The CDC will show you that cars kill > 34 times the number of
people that guns do. Do we ban cars? This issue has nothing to do with saving
lives, if it did we would have no national pasttime and would walk or ride bikes
everywhere. It has to do with control of people. “Any
society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will
deserve neither and lose both” –Benjamin Franklin
If the shooting had nothing to do with the temple, then *why* did you put them
together in the headline?
m.g. scott, If you want to have a serious discussion about gun
control, then fine, let's do so, but don't bring up this ridiculous
argument that cars, swimming pools, electricity, etc are in the same context of
handguns. I ask you, what is the purpose of a handgun? Does it really provide
any useful utility other than sport or a hobby? They are deadly weapons
intended to kill. That is what they are. Just admit the truth. And, they
should be controlled and monitored so that they do not continue to harm other
people.By they way, there are controlling laws and regulations for
every one of those items you mentioned in an effort to protect life.
MeckofahessRead the comment from OPEN MINDED MORMON. There is a voice of
reason. "Access to guns" ought to be addressed, and "mental
illness" ought to be addressed. Access to guns is a far distance from
"take guns away from everyone except Obama's family bodyguards" and
"background checks on everyone in every situation". I actually like
background checks being an improvement, but I am also not so naive as to think
that a single one of these shootings in the news lately would have been stopped
with background checks. There ought to be severe penalties, including loss of
guns, and good education of gun owners on restricting access to their weapons.
Mental illness issues are broad and really need attention by the experts. But
since Obama is only an event organizer and a campaigner by profession, I doubt
he would know what to do on this front. How about bipartisan discussion? Now
that would be a change for him.
Re: RunnerBy your reasoning then we should also get rid of cars,
swimming pools, electricity, tall buildings, airplanes, knives, ect.ect. ect.
ect........ because people also die from car accidents, drowning,
electrocution, falls, plane crashes, bleeding..........
To Cinci man: So what viable solution do you "conservatives" have to
the daily slaughter of Americans by the gun toaters?
Seems to me that the local media in Columbus is trying to make a big deal out of
this by setting up their cameras and reporter in front of the temple while
putting in the fine print that it had nothing to do with the temple. Then our
readers here take the bait and continue to make something out of nothing by
bringing the LDS Church into the discussion. Ease up.
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are
the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference.” --
George WashingtonThe Constitution's words don't need an
explanation or an excuse. The answer to life's most pressing issues,
including the 2nd amendment, won't come from taking away a constitutional
right or trying to subvert it with "common sense" ideas.
Jordan River Temple, now Ohio.I'll bet mental illness and
access to guns will be the common demoninators.Something a 2 minute
background could have easily stopped.BTW - My thoughts and prayers
go out to ALL the victims; those shot, the community and the shooter.
xertOf course you are right. Our prayers ought to be with those injured.
Thanks for the reminder.
Temples are gun free areas. The colorado theater of the Batman shootings was a
gun free zone. It appears that some people just do not obey the law.Joseph Smith said "We teach our people correct principles and let them
govern themselves". This is not a problem of guns, this a is problem of
moral decay. Taking away guns does not solve it.I think that in a
few years time we will see days in which all those now trying to take away guns
will wish that they had one.
5 posts and not one mention of those injured. Not a prayer--not a kind word.
Just a hateful gun debate and partisan point making. Well, let me be the
first.My thoughts and prayers go out to those injured. They also go out to those
so hateful and angry that they might not get their way, they lose all thought
and compassion for their fellow man. Not to sound overly preachy,
but---People--you can be better than this.
At what point will the NRA and all of the deceived gun carrying masses realize
that their favorite montra of "guns don't kill people, people kill
people" finally admit that these folks and many others that we read about
every day, whether guilty or innocent, actually died from gun shot wounds? Yes,
people fired the guns, but how often do we read about innocent people being
killed by a knife or some other type of weapon? Sorry to say, but guns do kill
people and it's only getting worse. Please, see the truth, the reality of
the situation and stop holding onto outdated theories and marketing strategies.
It is beyond time control and restrict access to these weapons.
@isrred - Ignorant commentThis story has been posted since yesterday
late afternoon and you still don't have any more information about the
story. You post it as it is headline news and nothing. Does anyone work at Des
Isrred:It might be well for you to read the short article,
"Local officials said the shooting had nothing to do with the temple,"
LDS Temples are gun free areas. There is no need for this kind of protection in
temples. There is other security more fitting for these sacred places. The NRA
provides the best training available for self protection in the dangerous
regions outside and away from the temples. Be thankful for what they do to fight
@isrredAnd according to you liberals, this shooting wouldn't have
happened if you took away my guns and had a background check done on his
Are more unregulated guns the answer to shooting everyday everywhere?
According to the NRA if only more people at the Temple had guns everything would
Having lived in there and that being in my ward a few years ago, I hope all are