What does a 'secure' border look like?

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    To "Fred44" you are wrong. "LDS liberal" wants to simply attack demand, while leaving the border unsecured.

    If you wanted to make it so that all the illegal immigrants would self deport, that is easy. Take the able bodied people that are on welfare and hire them out to businesses for $1/hr. The businesses get labor so cheap that even the illegals can't compete. That eliminates the demand.

    The border is being used by more than people from south and central america. There have been terrorists from the middle east captured on the border. If we actually secured the border and stopped the flow, the demand will dry up along with the supply.

    The final step is for the US to humble itself and realize that there isn't a job that an American won't do.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    "Iran, and North Korea have secure borders."
    Never in the history of the world has there been a secure border.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    LDS Liberal--hard to believe a liberal would be so mean spirited. People here illegally are entitled to the rights of benefits.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Iran, and North Korea have secure borders.

    Our southern border is a sieve. We may be doing a better job securing Korean borders.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:12 a.m.


    There is not one answer to solve the whole problem. The point liberal was trying to make is one that I would think most on the far right would understand. Capitalism, supply and demand. If we eliminate or even reduce the demand, then you will reduce the supply coming across the border. Will you get them all no, will you catch every business that is hiring illegals no, but you will catch a bunch, you will convince others its no worth the risk if you impose significant penalties. Part of a solution is better than no solution at all and this would be a big part of the solution. We have to quit giving business a free pass on everything, and hold them accountable for following the law.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    @ Wonder and one old man
    The "truth" is this:
    Despite issuing over a million green cards a year for the last 15 years, even in the midst of recessions, ONE HALF of all foreign born in the United States either are or were at one time illegal aliens. And that doesn't include about four million anchor babies. That's the truth.
    It's high time we did some enforcement.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 3:04 a.m.

    Some people keep saying wrongly, that Obama has deported more than anyone else. They are relied to, and proven false, but still continue beating the dead horse.

    Obama has been counting those detained and held at the border for up to 48 hours. Most are released in a few hours, after their biometric information has been taken.

    Previously these returns were counted in a different category. Obama has counted them as a person deported by the courts to inflate his numbers. His actual deportations are much lower than Bush.

    Truthseeker, saying it over and over doesn't make it right. The truth is available on multiple sites news articles.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    RE: Wonder and one old man

    If you WATCHED FOX News once in a while you would know that Bill O'Reilly for one has many times had that particular information on his show. Truth is, it is you Dem/liberal guys that have the one sided point of view because you DON'T watch Fox News. And yes, the amount of border arrests has gone down during Obama, but a lot of the reason is so have the available jobs to come up here for.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" fining the businesses that knowingly hire illegals will not stop a terrorist from coming through. Nor will it stop the human trafficer or drug lord.

    How do you get around the businesses that simply pay cash or else make their employees 1099 employees so that they don't have to check immigration status? There are so many loopholes through employment laws that fining the employers will not work because they can say "I didn't intentionally hire an illegal", and get out of it. If you fine them just for hiring an illegal, then you risk destroying businesses that may have hired an illegal that had stolen an identity and was successful at looking legal.

    To "Wonder" if you would turn off MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, and media matters, you would see that Obama changed the way they count deportations and see that actual deportations are down.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Richard doesn't WANT to know the truth, Wonder.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    @RichardB -- Actually, if you turned off the Fox News once in a while, you would learn that Obama has sent lots and lots of people back to their home country. Shocking, I know, but true.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    So far, the most secure border has been the three tiered border south of San Diego. Mexico has even copied it.

    Securing the border also includes securing the interior of the country. Returning people when first discovered.

    It's no wonder that Obama's administration questions their ability to do it. As a member of the open border movement, they don't want it done.

    Securing the border means putting someone in charge that will do the job.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    To some, a secure border looks like something from East Germany.

    A 14 foot concrete wall,
    200 yards of barbed wire,
    security dogs,
    Spot-lights, and
    Machine Gun nests.

    To me,
    it's a $1 million fine, closing down the business, and 4 years of prison to anyone hiring those here illegally.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    The fence is a personal challenge to the polleros. They'll dig a tunnel, go around by boat, fly over or take their clients another 100 miles down the road to the nearest opening.
    The fence is only part of the issue. We won't really create deterrence until we do some serious interior enforcement including worksite raids and work paper verification.
    We'll also need to invite law enforcement to ID those who are arrested.
    Our government doesn't even come close. In fact, we do just the opposite with politicians promising amnesty.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    A secure border is one that is filled with armed drones.

    Case closed.

    My guess is that word would get our real fast.

    These stupid politicians act like this is difficult to figure out.