Kids' suspensions renew debate over zero tolerance

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  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    RG- I know, I did too. The reason I played cowboys and indians was because I thought indians got a bad rap in movies so I was always the indian trying to get my friends who were cowboys. I loved playing cops because I wanted to be Starsky and Hutch. I really wanted the car!

  • jrgl CEDAR CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    The examples in this news story have just gone too far especially with children that young. Reminds me of when I got into serious trouble at the school as a school employee for having a Swiss Army Knife pocket knife attached to my key chain. Yup, it was the model with the fork and toothpick & I'd just gotten back from a camping trip as we are a camp happy family. Sometimes the schools really go overboard.
    I also question the schools calling the police on these young people or having police officers in the schools. They never call Mom or Dad before arresting a child or teen (even in Utah) and the entire school sees the perpetrator walk of the police through the hallways. I just see more and more kids in Utah ending up in the juvenile justice system and a lot more drop outs. Just fewer kids to educate in our strapped state.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Feb. 19, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    @Catcrazed: I like cats too. But my main point is that neither I (and I don't think anyone else) said no teachers have common sense, or that all teachers lack it. I hope my remarks were not taken that way.

    @joseywales: Almost all little kids, especially boys, play cops/robbers. It is a natural part of childhood. I bet if you poll 100 men, most of them did it as kids. Or poll 100 male senators, same result. Or poll 100 LDS general authorities, same result. There is nothing wrong or abnormal about it, unless taken to extremems.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 2:11 p.m.


    That is why we can't let ANY of our rights be INFRINGED.

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    For all of you who are writing negative things about the administration and the teachers about this incident, you need to know that the law does not allow for common sense. The laws governing zero tolerance do not allow an administrator or teacher to decide whether the threat is real or not. There is a hearing process after the initial suspension that allows common sense to enter the picture, but until then the government decides (in this case state government.) Imagine our future in other areas when we give up our freedoms to the State and Federal governments. Just scary.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    So it's ok to watch violence on TV and movies according to Hollywood. It doesn't harm you or make you want to act it out. It's ok to play violent video games according to the gaming industry. It doesn't make you want to act it out. So why then, are these little kids acting out shooting and cops and robbers and throwing grenades. They all can't be from parents who are police or military right?

    Don't get me wrong, I think punishing a kid for play acting is ridiculous. But if you are going to punish the kids for it, then you better get to the root cause of why are they doing it.

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Zero tolerance is simple laziness on the part of authorities. I served on a school board for a number of years and we went CASE BY CASE, and looked at ALL the facts before making a decision. There were cases where we KNEW the student posed no risk and that expelling would do more harm than good and perhaps even create a scenario where the child would be WORSE off or pose a greater risk after an expulsion. These kids are humans, not robots. If we do everything we can to show kids they can't be trusted, they will do everything they can to prove we're right.

  • Mom of Six Northern Utah, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    As a teacher, I would like to know where the common sense is to the adults involved in these unfortunate events. However, in our sue happy society it is a case of schools trying to prevent lawsuits and liberal ideology going amok. The two mixed together does not paint a picture of intelligence.

  • catcrazed Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    As a teacher, I have to agree that suspensions like these make no sense. To generalize that all teachers have no common sense is ludicrous, and I am tired of that nonsense. It is time to swing the pendulum toward the middle...and that goes for both sides.

  • Xbalanque DC, VA
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    We are the problem, not the kids. Zero tolerance for zero tolerance!

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    zero tolerance = zero brains

  • Jimmer77 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    I am so glad that GOD does not apply "zero tolerance" policies to me.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    re RG
    Buena Vista, VA

    I couldn't have said it better myself.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    First try denied; I'll try again. The article missed the recent story of the 7 yr old playing by himself, who threw a pretend grenade at "bad guys." No other kids even involved. And not a toy grenade; just an imaginary one. The message this sends to kids is that adults lack common sense. In this crazy world, common sense is more important than ever and seems to be disappearing. I believe that no-tolerance policies and their advocates are more dangerous to society by far than these little kids could ever be. I recommend applying zero tolerance to all those who advocate it. If they ever speed 56 in a 55 zone, they should receive the highest fine possible. If they do it again they should be locked up. Maybe that is the only way to convince them of the damage they are doing.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    To "Truthseeker" right now California, Minnesota, and Misouri have proposed laws to confiscate guns.

    See "Missouri Dems Introduce Alarming Gun Confiscation Bill Giving Law-Abiding Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Certain Firearms or Become Felons" at the Blaze.

    "Minnesota Democrats pushing gun confiscation bill similar to Missouri's" at the Examiner

    "Gun Confiscation Bill Proposed in California: ‘We Can Save Lives’" at the Blaze.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    This is probably the clue of why this current generation is becoming so emotionally messed up. As a child we used to play army, cowboys and indians and fought each other as gladiators. Childhood roll playing is part of being a child and starts the us on the road to the realities of adulthood. Unfortunately, childhood is being interrupted by adults who think they have better ideas of what being a child should be. It's ironic that as these childhood games have become so politically incorrect our current generation has no idea what proper social behavior is and how to control it's rage.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Zero tolerance means that teachers have ZERO common sense.

    Talk about a corrupt system where people are afraid to think.

    These are the people that we have teaching our kids? We are creating a nation of dependent pawns that will be easily manipulated by the government or the new world leadership that the teachers union will help put into place.

    All you "good" teachers out there who are silent over this kind of thing are just as guilty as the teachers who follow this policy.

    Use your own brain to solve a problem and teach our kids to do the same.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    "Some states attempt defend their schools by expelling little kids who draw a picture of a gun, imposing a gun free zone around their schools, and when this doesn't work, they try to pass laws to take guns from law abiding people."

    Take guns from law abiding people? How so? I've not seen/heard of legislation proposing to confiscate guns from "law abiding" people. Maybe you could be more specific.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    Common sense does not apply in government at any level. Liberals and the teacher's unions have pretty much destroyed the schools in this country. It may take a century before society can recover.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    Some states attempt defend their schools by expelling little kids who draw a picture of a gun, imposing a gun free zone around their schools, and when this doesn't work, they try to pass laws to take guns from law abiding people.

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    A gun brought by a child to school needs intervention and discussion. The incidents mentioned in this article are ridiculous, and an abuse of authority. Actions like these cause many people to be concerned about giving authority to school officials and others. Zero tolerance school drug laws often fall into the same category. Punishing kids for having aspirin or cold medicine.

    "To dismiss or overlook an incident that results in any member of our school community feeling unsafe or threatened would be irresponsible and negligent."

    That is an excuse for the liberal elite to do whatever they want.

  • JJL Eugene, OR
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    So-called zero tolerance policies are proof positive that none of us are as dumb as all of us.

    Why can't we have zero tolerance policies for drunk driving? Drive drunk, automatically get locked up for a year and license revoked for lifetime.