When it comes to drones, Obama is just like Bush

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  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    Bush and Obama are alike, especially with the "irresponsible and unpatriotic" use of the Chinese credit card.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 18, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    If we can't decern the difference between killing those who have declared war on us, to which our own congress declared war back - and torture - which is against all convensions of war... we have an issue.

    Killing your adversary has always been part of what being at war means. Meanwhile, there also have been long established rules and standards by which you treat those captives, which are rulled as long as they are in captivity, to not be active combatents.

    Are those rules always followed? No. That is why we have the war crimes tribunal in the Hague. I know, it sounds odd to have rules in war, but we do, and we as a nation should not lower ourselves to be equals to those who do so willingly break these rules.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Feb. 18, 2013 5:45 a.m.

    People that have been water boarded consider it torture. Mancow, the conservative radio host changed his mind pretty quickly after being water boarded. We don't even need to have the discussion anymore.

    It's not the drones. It's the explosives at the end. When drones were unarmed they sent a cruise missile or guided bomb and I'm sure the people that died still don't care which.

    If Obama = Bush then why are conservatives against it now? Because it's Obama and not Bush. You just proved it. It doesn't matter the subject just that it's not a conservative president.

    I'm looking forward to the cuts in military spending comming up. Yaaaaay!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 17, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    Yes, MM. Civil discussions are the best.

    30 years ago, no one would have denied that waterboarding was torture. Now, only staunch conservatives deny it.

    And we know why that is.

    It saved lives? Possibly.

    I sincerely thought that the US was above the notion that "the ends justifies the means".

    So, are you against drone attacks?

    If we would have used Drones to take out Hussein and kept from invading Iraq at a cost of Trillions of $$ and thousands of American lives, I vote for it every time.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 17, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Joe Blow. Always nice to have a discussion with you! Your are always civil as I try to be and I thank you for that. Enhanced interrogation is not really torture, frightening perhaps but hardly torture. Even if it is (was) it saved lives regardless of what some people say. It led those Navy Seals to bin Laden and stopped several terrorist attacks. Now, on the other hand, killing suspected terrorists has eliminated getting any intelligence from them; dead terrorists can't talk. Then there is always the collateral damage to innocents. No one died from waterboarding, can't say that about drone attacks.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 17, 2013 11:03 a.m.


    So, you see no difference between killing someone on the battlefield and torturing a prisoner?

    Strange morality indeed.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 17, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Killing terrorists is moral but enhanced interrogation is immoral? Strange morality!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 17, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    This is all fine with me, because when it comes to issues of national defense, partisanship has nothing to do with securing this nation. The military and its capability should now sway one way, or another, because some choose to spew political rhetoric. Some may disagree in what world events we choose to engage - but how we engage should never be a matter of partisan politics.

    Keep our military out of politics.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 17, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    The difference is huge..Obama uses drones as an alternative to boots on the ground..Bush and the neocons just fought anybody and everybody. That being said the author is right in that we do have choices and the choices are important bot strategicly and morally.