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  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    @Kent C. DeForrest: "Many people are willing and qualified to work, and would work hard, but the corporate system we have created does not need or want them. The system seeks to squeeze as much production out of labor as possible..."

    The prime function of corporations is to maximize profits for investors (i.e., stockholders). Not labor, not the government, but investors. If that were not true, there'd be few if any investors, fewer if any corporations, and probably no jobs. That's the nature of our capitalist society.

    So, along comes labor unions to help boost wages and benefits for their members. And what does that do? It cuts corporate profits and thus dividends to stockholders. It also raises the cost of production to such an extent that corporations begin to move their plants overseas and... unions start to lose. That's were we are now. Everything worked fine for unions until we entered the era of global economy where corporations could find cheaper labor. Businesses now must use foreign labor to stay afloat... which means jobs move overseas and the government starts doling out benefits to the un- and underemployed.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    @Ultra Bob:
    "Until we fix the economy, our efforts to fight poverty are just whitewash to cover up the real problems."

    A strong economy is a good step. But, in our economy/society charitable giving by private concerns is the preferred method to assist the poor. If/when the government gets into the business of charity it grows and grows until large segments of the population are on the dole. Why? Because it's the nature of mankind to be lazy and let someone else supply their needs. Then we morph into socialism. We're headed that way now with food stamps growing like topsy... thanks to Obama and his Democrat friends in Congress.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    All these so called solutions imply that parents make the same wages and have the same opportunities of the commentators. 47% of Americas don't pay federal taxes because why? Because they are either children, retirees, or make wages below the poverty line. Take these people out and you have a few remaining souls but far less than those corporations and wealthy that take advantage of paid for loopholes to the tax code. It's time to quit pointing the fingers at the minimum wage earners and bring back good paying jobs and you'll soon find improvements to your poverty program.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Is anyone on this illustrious committee currently living in poverty so that the rest of the committee could have first hand comments of what it is like? We tend to study things to death.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    I've seen similar studies identifying common elements of a poverty-free life. The author's list bears repeating:

    Get married before having children.
    Stay off drugs [including cigarettes and alcohol].
    Stay out of trouble with the law.
    Graduate from high school.
    Obtain a marketable skill.
    Get a job.
    Work hard.
    Stay close to God.

    Now look at each item in the list with the question in mind, Who is best at providing this, or bringing this about? How often is your answer the government, and how often is it something else, such as families, churches, and voluntary associations?

    We should stop looking at government as the first solution to poverty. A wealth of resources lie in between the individual and the government, which we refer to as "civil society," and which Toqueville identified as the key to America's success. These institutions should be strengthened.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    If we grant amnesty to 20 million illegal immigrants we will also increase by about one third the amount of Americans below the poverty line.

    Due to their income they will qualify for just about every imaginable government assistance program.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    When the unemployment rate is high then we have more poverty. It is not due to free enterprise. It is due to restrictions on free enterprise which Mr. Obama has done in a massive increase in red tape. It is harder to start or run a business. The amazing thing to me is that as we see more and more poverty these people continue to vote for the party that put them in poverty. No we can't have unrestricted free enterprise, but it is being strangled now.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    "Poverty is the natural consequence of a private enterprise, free market, business oriented, business ruled economy."

    Hmmm....methinks someone has some very dark goggles on. Maybe a review of the last two centuries of US history and the resultant wealth creation, the circumstance of our poor in relation to the rest of the world both current and historical, and the innovation and progress of mankind in general, as a result of our capitalistic system, would be in order.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Your solutions are too easy and obvious. We need to spend money on a government study that takes years and meets in Las Vegas, raise taxes so others pay their "fair share," start a new government agency dispensing entitlements and then never assess the effectiveness of the program. That's the government way.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Many people are willing and qualified to work, and would work hard, but the corporate system we have created does not need or want them. The system seeks to squeeze as much production out of labor as possible, through either productivity improvement or shipping jobs off to low-wage countries. This enables businesses to minimize labor costs and put more money in the hands of the already wealthy. Fix this, and you'll solve the largest part of the poverty problem.

    But it isn't just those in poverty who are getting the shaft. Even those firmly entrenched in the middle class are losing ground every year and have been since 1980 when supply-side economics became the favored conservative economic theory. Neither party really understands the deeper economic problems we face, but the Republican mantra of giving the wealthy more and more is insanity of the highest order.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    So then how do we adress why people may have children out of wedlock, turn to drug use or be unable to maintain suffer isn't employment to support themselves and their families? Simplistic answers are not answers to the real question they only serve to make the self righteous feel better. You are however right there is not a good reason for the legislature to take up its own research. There is already very good research on this subject including a very comprehensive research study by the university of Utah. My auspices ion is the legislature did not like the results because it does not reinforce e their contutents overly simplistic views on poverty.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    In our government the only government action that occurs is when a private profit is made by the action. And there is probably no way of ending poverty and make a profit.

    Poverty is the natural consequence of a private enterprise, free market, business oriented, business ruled economy. Because of the advantages of the private enterprise, free market, business oriented, business ruled economy, we readily accept the disadvantage of poverty. So while we thing we are fighting poverty with the recommendations mentioned, we do nothing about the true cause.

    In order to fix poverty, we must first fix the economy. The most probable fix to the economy is to eliminate unemployment and change the rules for the voluntary slavery of employees.

    Until we fix the economy, our efforts to fight poverty are just whitewash to cover up the real problems.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Very good thinking on this poverty thing, Michael. You have probably identified some of the most important things that contribute to our poverty problem, but one other item should be mentioned.....the fact that we subsidize poverty. We encourage people to stay in poverty by making them more dependent on government via various programs such as food stamps, SS disability and other welfare amenities. In fact, we have found that we contribute to generation after generation of continued poverty and government dependency.

    Do you think a 'Commission on Poverty' will recognize this and suggest we do something about it? Perhaps the commission might even send a message to our illustrious president on the same subject.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Agreed, Mike. However you can do all this and more, living a moral, productive life, without having religion guilt you into it.