Vatican is still a master of secrets

Pope's Head injury in Mexico one of many recent Revelations

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  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Feb. 16, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    WWest- The movie's been made and shown in every southern California evangelical church since the '80's. The only group that refused to attend and comment were LDS, myself included, at the time.

    Ed Decker's book provided the research notes and thousands had a radical encounter with the Biblical Jesus, resulting in their eternal spiritual new birth, myself included.

    JRJ- Leave what alone? The truth? "September Dawn", a flawed movie, revealed much to the interested world. Three BYU professors wrote a fuller account, and the Church officially apologized to the Fancher-Baker families and the Piute Council on September 11, 2007. Only 300 or so of us were out at the 150th anniversary at Mountain Meadows, but the effort was duly noted. A century and a half late, but noted.

    As for Hillary's floating quotes, her last gaff pales in comparison to that "vast right-wing conspiracy". Full disclosure is never the harbinger of aspiring politicians or those who refuse to accurately biograph their icons.

    The truth is still important to many. The movie, the books, the series have all been done. You have to want to find it.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 15, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Those things which are punishable by man's laws, should be cared for in man's courts. Such things as a pace-maker, an accidental fall, how many divorces did Bro. Brigham have etc.....leave it alone. As Hillary Clinton's now famous statement says,"Why does it matter now?" Poor woman,she will have to go to her grave with that floating above her head forever. I'll bet the outgoing pope will be happy to be called "Sir" and just sit in the Italian sun shine and enjoy what earthly life he has left.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Someone call Dan Brown... this would make a great series of Thriller novels.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    I guess I have a certain amount of sympathy for the Catholic Church in this. Except for secrets such as those surrounding priest-involved sexual abuse, a private organization should be able to keep many things private. The health of the leaders should be no one’s business. To mandate by law that a private organization has to divulge every secret is arguably in violation of the First Amendment, in which the government is prevented from interfering with the free exercise of religion.

    Imagine if the govt. could require The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints to publically reveal all of its temple ordinances. Or for the BSA to divulge all of its negotiations and deliberations surrounding accepting gays. It’s a double-edged sword which would negatively affect both religious and non-religious organizations, conservative and liberal organizations and parties, pro-life and pro-choice efforts, etc. etc. etc.

    I think however that reasonable people can agree that there are exceptions. Illegal and harmful activities should be reported, prosecuted, and stopped, regardless of one’s persuasions or the kind of organization one belongs to.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    JP71 said: I'm not sure what it matters. This is a private organization that has a right to keep its secrets secret. They are not accountable to anyone.

    ...and that's a big part of the problem they believe that also.

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    I'm not sure what it matters. This is a private organization that has a right to keep its secrets secret. They are not accountable to anyone.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    The Vatican is a master of secrets?

    What ever happened to the milk before the meat?

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Just got a call/email from a local friend to check out this article. All I can say is you know it had to be written by an AP or objective author. The kettle is black or hidden deep within LDS confines.

    You have to go outside church historical archives just to read BYoung's court testimony on why he never turned in the other 49 Iron County Militia members who rode alongside John D. Lee.

    As a history buff and former Mormon, born and raised, those of us old enough to have listened to our pioneer grandparents know lots of the "rest of the story" tales that never made print.

    Mr. Gorbachev- Open up those LDS Archives!

  • DUPDaze Bakersfield, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Yes it is, Red Corvette.

    As a 6th generation Mormon and grandaughter of a DUP (Daughters of the Utah Pioneers), there are many 'smokescreens and obfuscations' that wouldn't reach print here. If the LDS Church weren't so concerned about their public image there would have been full access to its archives many years ago.

    Go to any Visitor's Center or watch any church-produced short film or documentary on Joseph Smith's life. You will not see any reenactment of D&C132, any plural wives in the family scenes. You would think that the Prophet died a monogamous man.

    Ditto for Brigham Young's colorful life. It is difficult to dig in and find out how many of his wives divorced him. Thank goodness for the few tell-all books published by his exes or it would have remained as quiet as the leaders could have maintained.

    Thanks to the diligent historical research by LDS, UCLA-educated historical author, Juanita Brooks, we have a reliable documentation on the MMM. Just mention of it usually gets my post denied. The subsequent Turley & Co. book verified Brook's hard research.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    @OregonCougarFan - I think you can figure that one out on you own. It'll be so much more rewarding too.

    (Hint: Who owns the newspaper that decided to redistribute this particular article from the Associated Press on their main "Faith" page, while also not choosing to run so many other available articles?)

  • OregonCougarFan Keizer, OR
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    @Red Corvette - who are you referring to?

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    In this Kardashian Age, I for one am grateful for someone who keeps private things private and doesn't always seek center stage.