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  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:59 p.m.

    Lest we lose our way in our discussion of political extremism, we need to understand that its usage in American English refers to, "Any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies." Immoderate and uncompromising are key.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    "while unable themselves to offer suitable alternatives"

    such as...

    a balanced budget? Paying down our 16 trillion national debt before we become Greece? This "extreme" form of thinking I guess is just too radical to even consider. Heaven forbid this sort of "extremism" spill over to our collective thinking as individuals and we dare do such insane things as paying down our credit cards, downsizing into more affordable homes, paying as we go instead of opening up another Capitol One Credit card... you know all the "extreme stuff". Holy geez, if you are going to write an article about how extreme conservatives are then PLEASE try to offer at the very least a couple of specifics?? Anything? I really wish liberals would think - just stop believing what their favorite media outlet tells them to think and instead think for themselves. Thinking involves doing actual research which is something the "low information" folks have a difficult time doing.I will say without question extremism can be defined by adding 6 trillion dollars to the national debt which is ALL Obama. By the way when was the last budget that Harry Reid put together in the Senate?

  • bodgerdlue Kearns, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    Wow What in Tucket! Federal workers "who average over $130,000 a year" sure sounds like a big problem.

    Unfortunately your numbers are way off. According to the Office of Personnel Management the average federal salary is $77,505 worldwide.

    But don't let a $53,000 dollar error ruin a good rant.

    Feb. 11, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    The Senate doesn't need a super majority to pass a budget. A simple majority is all that is needed for budget items. So the could pass a budget if they want to. Perhaps the reason that Democrats don't pass a budget is that they would be on record for massive deficit spending.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 10, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    re:One old man & MikeRichards

    Dick Cheney provided several tie-breaking votes to pass legislation, including the 2003 Bush tax cuts.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    To Mike in Cedar City

    Whoa & wow! Libertarianism & the tea party are not the same thing. Its like saying Ron Paul & Sarah Palin are aligned. Truth be told, Dr Paul is barely tolerated in the GOP let alone some extreme subset therein.

    The tea party started out with Libertarian leanings until it got hijacked by social conservatives and super-capitalists who want no oversight/regulation w/ an irrational hatred of the current administration.

    I have known people who have attended tea party rallies. They said its nothing more than people in their 50's whining about possibly not having benefits when they retire.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Mike Richards -- I know Cheney signed no bills. But let's face it, it was Cheney and Karl Rove who were actually in charge of the Bush White House.

    So referring to President Cheney and his little buddy is not a reach at all. Perhaps a better descriptive might be President Cheney and Vice President Rove.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Feb. 10, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    Mitt was certainly NOT the problem. Clearly Mitt was the cure for the extremism in GOP ranks. With the split in the right any candidate was faced with the task of trying to appeal to the broad spectrum of voters right of center. The religious right (many who are also t-party folks) was an added challenge. But do not lose sight of the fact that this administration is the most far left, deficit-building regime in decades. Blame GWB if you must but BO has done next to nothing to stop the fiscal bleeding and in fact things just keep getting worse. Let's target loss of integrity as the worst epidemic in American history. I can live with a President who governs from left of center(Clinton did that). But BO is so far left it is downright frightening. He refuses to bring all entitlements under control. His world view socialism is destined to bring America to it's knees and that is frighteningly closer as we speak.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    A lot of talk about the extreme right. So what specifically did the author have in mind? I think of extreme right as a balanced budget, fewer regulations-red tape, fewer Federal workers (who average over $130,000 a year, lower taxes on corporations ( ours are the world's highest now), etc. Call me extreme.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Whan a conservative commentor,
    posts their conservative opinions,
    on the most conservative newspaper,
    in the most conservative State,
    in the most Conservative coutnry,

    and STILL can't get the most "Likes",
    [and consistantly score the fewest]

    That should tell you who is out-bleachers, far-right-wing, uber-world, extremist.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Nationally the repubs have lost the moderate's votes due to their extremist views. Angry white rich guys don't get their views aren't whats best for the country.
    Locally, the seagull forum ensure that moderates will never get on the ballot. You have to be extremist to make it out of the caucus.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Monsieur le Prof, the vast majority of people who get benefits are OLD or VETERANS. My grandma worked hard as a nurse for 50 years. Now people like you call her a "taker" because she's depending on SS and Medicare and paying no income tax? Ce n'est pas juste, Monsieur.

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Extremism is in the eye of the beholder. Obama's extremist policies have taken this country beyond the edge of bankrupcy, but he doesn't care because he believes that big government is sthe answer to very problem, no matter what the results. Hence he won't cut spending, no matter how much the Republicans offer.

    Romney lost the election not because he kowtowed to the Tea Party or because he was too extreme, but because he told the truth. Immigrants and lifelong welfare recipients have changed the moral fabric of this country. No longer is "Work hard and you can be a success" the driving force behind American workers. Almost half the people in this country want a "Santa Claus" government. They pay no taxes, but still want/demand the benefits this country offers.

    We all need to bite the bullet and learn to live within our means. We also need to return to the moral virtues that made this country great.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    The GOP.

    Too extreme, to function.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 2:08 p.m.


    Did you know that both the EPA and the FDA were signed into law by Republican Presidents?

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Apparently, the extreme, divisive, partisan animosity generated within the conservative base by certain "conservative spokespeople" through such venues as Fox News and Right-Wing radio has resulted in a significant segment of the Republican Party now in conflict with the more moderate elements who say the extremism is not beneficial to the Party's needs.

    Now there comes the need to "moderate" the message and possibly alienate these extremely conservative elements who have been trained to favor bellicosity, conflict and anger in creating the ultimate conservative utopia of anti-government action except where government can be used to futher the cultural restrictions demanded by the conservative ideology.

    We'll see whether the message gets changed to only obfuscate the agenda and thus hide it in an appeal to independents and less-extremist conservative elements or if the move to ideological purity itself is moderated. However, without the effort to address the concerns of a changing demographic and create realistic alternatives to a reality different from that created by and for the existing extremist conservative base, conservatism on a national level will continue to decrease regardless of the machinations of conservatively-controlled state legislatures.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    One Old Man,
    How many bills passed by Congress did Vice-President Cheney sign?

    Joe Blow,
    Article 1, Section 1, "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." The EPA and the FDA are not authorized to do anything without Congress voting on each and every "law" recommended by those non-Congressional bodies.

    Excusing their activities because you believe that they benefit society misses the whole concept of having a government directed by a Constitution and having a Constitution that is the Supreme Law of the Land.

    We're seeing what happens when a President thumbs his nose at the Constitution. He pretends that he has the power to direct Congress and he pretends that he has the right to use a State of the Union speech to harass the Supreme Court.

    You may think that obeying the Supreme Law of the Land is "extreme". Many people who think that the Constitution is "outdated" and that law only applies to the other guy also regards the "other guy" as being extreme.

  • All American Herriman, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Hey, JoeBlow, did you notice that the entire Senate, both Dems and GOP, voted AGAINST Obama's proposed budget? So why can't the Senate even TRY to formulate its own budget? Even a heated discussion would be better than nothing at all?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    "Seems like the House, lead by Republicans has passed budget after budget and passed them on to the Senate, only to be buried by Reid"

    Well, lets take a bit of a deeper look.

    The house is controlled by the GOP. And they have the numbers to pass anything they want with ZERO Democratic votes.

    That is why the house has been able to pass a budget. I can also assure you that EVERY GOP member who voted on the budget KNEW up front that it could not and would not pass the senate.

    Now, lets look at the Senate.

    It is controlled by the Dems, but not with a fillibuster proof majority. They cannot pass anything without some GOP votes.

    This is why the House can pass a budget and the senate can not.

    And now you know the rest of the story......

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    And Harry Reid, Pelosi, and Obama have passed exactly how many budgets in the past 4 years? Like, NONE!. And you blame Republicans for this? Seems like the House, lead by Republicans has passed budget after budget and passed them on to the Senate, only to be buried by Reid. I don't think conservative Republicans are the problem. The Democrats only want conpromise when it benefits them politically. In other words, "our way or the highway". Same thing that Andrew, our letter writer, is accusing the Republicans of.

  • All American Herriman, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    An "uncompromising obstructionist attitude by Republicans against any and all outside initiatives" is the only attitude that will keep us from becoming a completely socialist country. What good is any party that just goes along to get along? That most assuredly leads to a government run a muck and the American people left with no freedoms and no power.

    Obviously Mr. McDonald is not willing to education himself on the many, many "suitable alternatives" offered by our House Republicans that are ignored, or worse, buried by Harry Reid and are never allowed even a discussion in the Senate.

    So correctly, the meaning of "obstructionist" is in the "eye of the beholder". This beholder sees only Democratic obstructionists who will not produce a budget, discuss suitable alternatives (if presented by Republicans), will not listen to the wishes of the people (Obamacare shoved down our throats), and basically accomplish nothing because of their inability to compromise. They all have the "my way or the highway" attitude - from our want-a-be king down through the ranks of all democrats.

    P.S. Why do mostly liberal zealots respond to these extremist letters? Come on conservatives - where are you? Fight for your freedoms!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 9, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    There are many Republicans who think Romney lost the election because he was too moderate.

    Their takeaway from the election is a) we need to appeal to more brown voters by passing immigration reform and/or b) our messaging was lousy.

    As long as Republicans get their news from right-winged hate radio nothing will change.

    Its going to be a long and painful process to return to sanity.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Speaking of Barry Goldwater, he once famously said: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!" Well, it may not be a vice, but it surely makes it tougher to be elected as a leader of all the people, as he found out in his losing bid for the presidency, and as Mitt Romney recently re-discovered.

    Of course, extremism is largely in the eye of the beholder. Hardly anyone thinks of himself or herself as extreme. Why, even Mike Richards probably thinks he is anything but extreme, as he labels liberals as the true extremists. Yet most of the posters here think Mr. Richards is the extreme one.

    Maybe we should all swallow a humble pill, acknowledge that people of good will can have differing viewpoints, and stop applying small-minded pejorative labels to those with whom we disagree. Wow, I can't believe I just said that! I must be drifting toward rational discourse! Help!

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Excellent letter. And may I offer the fervent hope that no Republicans reading it pay any attention to anything you wrote.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    "Self righteousness is present on both sides. Allegations that "You're more extreme than I am," are ludicrous."

    Soooo they're both equally crazy?

    So where were the demands to see Romney's birth certificate? Does he have a deep seated hatred for minorities and retired folks? Do we have any recordings from Romney's bishop to make sure that he wasn't speaking ill of America or our government? Lets analyze Romney's school records, shall we?

    Face it, the right has gone off the deep end. Rather than focus on fixing their own party, they have focused on tearing down others.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Mike in Cedar City...Republicans voters drank the libertarian tea..boy is that true. I have a flock of far right relatives and they all prance around now saying "I'm liberitarian" then go off on their favorite anti.. program. For some it's regulations, for some it's taxes, others it's gun control, and some just plain old hate Obama. In the end the whole libertarian thing is simply cover for I'm mad about taxes but don't give a darn about immigration, or whatever their pet peeve is. The sad thing is they really are starting to think they are islands unto themselves. In the end libertarianism is just plain selfishness, or at least it's a marriage made in heaven.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Mike, when you say, "It's easy to see who the "extremists" really are - they are those who mock the Constitution by stating that they have the power to do whatever they want."

    Were you referring to President Cheney who pushed for more expansion of Presidential powers than any other person in any party? Or the Cheney who commented (more than once) that the Constitution is "just a piece of paper"?

    There was an excellent Frontline special on this recently. You can probably find it on the PBS website.

    (Ooops. Forgot. The PBS website is regarded by many as a "liberal" site. I guess it is, when compared with FOX and hate radio. But whatever PBS is, it's truthful.)

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Both sides are guilty. It's the pot calling the kettle black. Self righteousness is present on both sides. Allegations that "You're more extreme than I am," are ludicrous.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Hannity and Limbaugh just collect large checks to drive herd people to the extreme right.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    "any politician who does not promise a new car in every garage and a steak for every dinner is "extreme"."

    Not even close Mr Richards.

    Example - The EPA and the FDA are good organizations that provide a service? Can we cite examples where they overstep their bounds? Of course.

    Reasonable thought - Lets step in a fix what is not working in those organizations.
    Extreme thought - Shut them all down.

    Reasonable thought - Work to make abortion legal, safe and rare.
    Extreme thought - Criminalize all abortions and give "personhood" rights to the unborn.

    Reasonable thought - reduce entitlements, cut defense and bring taxes up
    Extreme thought - deeper entitlement cuts, increase military spending and cut taxes for the rich

    Now, I am not saying that the dems are always reasonable, but the extreme right takes the cake.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Republicans voters have drank the libertarian tea and now must bear the responsiblity for the obstructionism that has paralysed our national govermnent. For Tea Party legislators, political compromise is a aborent. Representative democracy requires reasoned compromise. But reason is not what thay care for.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    This letter is right on the mark. A large element of the Republican party has has gone as far to the right as the 1960's hippies were to the left! This is why despite the bad economy the Republicans had such an anemic showing in the last national election. But don't despair, the GOP will get tired of losing and will eventually pull back to the political center, and the tea party, black helicopter, crowd will return to their former marginalized status.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2013 6:38 a.m.

    To those who have forgotten the purpose of the Federal Government, any politician who does not promise a new car in every garage and a steak for every dinner is "extreme".

    The Federal Government has few duties. It was never authorized to "give" us Social Security or Medicare or Obamacare. It was never authorized to "give" us any item of personal welfare; yet, the liberals have built their entire program on "freebies" and unauthorized spending.

    The Federal Government has a very simple job. It is there to protect the States from enemies, both foreign and domestic, and to make it possible for the States to work together in harmony. Most other duties are left to the States or to the people.

    When a government over-reaches, those in power will call anyone who impedes their expansion "extremists".

    It's easy to see who the "extremists" really are - they are those who mock the Constitution by stating that they have the power to do whatever they want. Our government has followed the path of many churches whose "priests" have abandoned doctrine while chasing "donations". Obama will "give" us anything as he gives the bill to the "rich guy".

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 6:32 a.m.

    Richard Nixon started the EPA, OSHA, and the NOAA. He proposed a national healthcare plan somewhat similar to Obama's except that it required employers to pick up almost all of the costs. He proposed a national guaranteed minimum income plan that was probably the most socialistic proposal any American president has ever put forward. He began the first federal affirmative action program.

    In short, Richard Nixon was definitely to the left of President Obama. That gives you an idea of how far right the Republican party has gone.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Well said, and exactly right.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2013 5:29 a.m.

    Great letter and on the money.

    And I hope that the GOP finds its way. We need a strong, 2-party system.

    But some of the candidates that the T-party pushes are unelectable and unacceptable in general elections.

    Maybe more importantly - GOP candidates (Romney is a perfect example) have to pander to the far right to win the nomination.

    After all that pandering, the moderates and independents are scared off.