Blizzard 'for the history books' begins battering the Northeast

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  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    re: freedom in 2017

    It was the big story on Headline News Thurs morning and all I could think was so what.

    What is the worse that could happen Tom Brady can't make it to a Press Conference or Wall St shuts down? How exactly is that bad?

  • DVD Taylorsville, 00
    Feb. 9, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    As mentioned below, there are people that will suffer terribly, often through no fault of their own, from this storm. Some have no home to go to. Some kids have no home to go to and get ignored as well.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    where in the article does it say anything about north easterners thinking the world is shutting down? I think maybe your problem is not north easterners but your own internal biases. I lived in the north east and I can tell you as a general rule they a fare less self obsessed then most utahns.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    VST: "Ask yourself one question; is global warming man-caused? If so, what are your FACTS to back up your premise that global warming is anthropometrically caused?"

    The facts are abundant.

    Isotopic analysis of the carbon and oxygen atoms making up atmospheric CO2 reveal that most of the increase in atmospheric CO2 comes from carbon that has been locked away somewhere for millions of years, which could only come from fossil fuel deposits that are then combusted with "young" oxygen, as is found in the air all around us today. This proves conclusively that present-day combustion of fossilized hydrocarbon deposits (natural gas, coal, and oil) is definitely the source of the elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 currently being measured.

    These measurements have been replicated and validated by researchers across the globe.

    Human combustion of CO2 is the primary contributor to increases in atmospheric CO2. Those increases are accelerating at rates never before seen in the last several hundred thousand years.

    Atmospheric levels of CO2 change rates of heat retention. That's been established for 100+ years.

    Higher heat retention in the air warms the oceans and ground, and that changes climate. And it's changing _fast_.

    The science is clear.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Still thinking of spring:
    I recall your yellow cotton dress
    foaming like a wave on the ground around your knees
    And birds like tender babies in your hands...

    Climate change passion is flowing like a river through the sky....
    And now it's melting in the dark
    with it's sweet cream icing flowing down

    Someone left the climate change cake out in the rain
    and I don't think that they can take it
    cause it took so long to bake it
    and they'll never have that recepi again
    OH NO

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    Oatmeal: thank you for your reality check. A good reminder that our humanity is more important that arguing over weather theories.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    VST: Thank you for your astute 11:22am post. For me, there is no question that global warming is occurring. 10,000 years ago central Illinois was covered by a layer of ice hundreds of feet thick. Although there have been periods of rapid warming and cooling since then -- including about 200 years that allowed the Vikings to establish viable colonies in northern Canada and Greenland -- overall the temps have been warming. I know that because the glaciers are extinct here. Now there are those who theorize that it is a man-made condition. There may be some merit to this idea. After all, there is a tremendous amount of hot air coming out of Springfield. Nonetheless, I am dubious. Even if the current apparently speeding rise in global temps is anthropomorphically caused, we essentially would need to stop all pollution causing activities today in order to turn back the tide. That is not going to happen on either a personal, community, national or global level.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Spring was never waiting for us girl,
    It ran one step ahead as we followed in the dance.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    The US is the only country I know of where right and left both don't agree that the climate is getting warmer. The Conservative parties in Europe and Asia all believe we have a problem and back various solutions. Here, because the Democrats say it is so, the Republicans automatically must say it isn't.

    Why not get out in front of this, and figure out better alternatives for how to address it, rather than just burying your heads in the sand. Otherwise, we will let the Dems take the lead on this just like they did on civil rights, the environment, health care, energy solutions, etc.

    You can't make a conclusion based on individual weather events, but rather on patterns. Look at the glaciers and Arctic ice cap. What if it is manmade? Do we honestly think we can just keep using cars that burn oil produced by such friends as Russia, Venezuela, and Iran?

    I don't even understand why we're having this debate. You people who are driven by fear and conspiracy see threats now even in the weather.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    To tell the truth.. I am not sure where I stand on Global warming. There is some stuff that makes sense to me and other stuff that seems more fiction then real.

    But, I do trust the scriptures and one of the sign of the 2nd coming of the Savior is that the weather will be a mess!!! Guess what? This is coming true!

    Scary - but not surprised!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    @freedom in 2017
    I'm pretty sure they cover just about every storm with 2ft of snow and wind gusts to almost hurricane force forecasted.

    "Does this inconsistency shake your belief in man made global warming?"

    No, because there are more warm anomalies than cold anomalies globally and in 2012 we had the warmest La Nina year on record.

    "Where I live, we are having "normal" temperatures for this time of the year, not warmer not colder. As we can see, in New England, there is above normal snowfall there. "

    I would've thought Idaho would be below average since Salt Lake City had its coldest January since 1949 (then again the inversions played a large role in that). New England snowfall doesn't necessarily mean it's colder there, just wetter.

    "including incidences of harsh winters in some places"

    What do you mean by harsh? If you mean cold weather then that's not something global warming predicts. If you mean the potential for heavier snows in winter storms in areas, that one is predicted (though it's a delicate balance between heavier precip events and it still being cold enough for that precip to be snow).

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 8, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Mountanman: Are you saying there is no global warming, or just that it is not manmade? I can forgive you for the manmade part, but the evidence is clear that there is global warming and that ice is melting at an alarming rate. No hoax! The predictions from a warming planet: bigger storms! Now, global means literally that, the globe. It's nice to pick a place that's hotter than average or colder than average, but the planet, as a whole, has warmed over the last 75 years. What happens next? Ice age. It will happen. When is the question!

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    I read the headline and immediately predicted this would turn into a global warming debate without one shred of empathy for what three feet of snow in one storm can do to a human population. People could die from this storm.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @ Blue, you are wrong! Last month it was minus 40 in Russia,much colder than normal for this time of year for them. Where I live, we are having "normal" temperatures for this time of the year, not warmer not colder. As we can see, in New England, there is above normal snowfall there. Normal is an interesting word, isn't it?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Mountanman, where are there examples of "lower than normal temps" in the context of global climate?

    Answer - nowhere.

    _Weather_ can bounce around all over the place, and the more energy available to drive weather, the more extreme the weather can be. Heat waves in Australia, three feet of snow in New York, and drought in the midwest. Those are weather extremes, and global warming science predicts those extremes will become larger and more frequent. Which is exactly what's happening.

    _Climate_ refers to decades-long trends, and the _climate_ trend globally is towards higher global average temps.

    You've got to let the science into your head.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    @ Blue. Let's see, when we have warmer than normal temps, that's proof there is man made global warming but when we have colder than normal temps, it still proof? 20 years from now when this hoax has finally been put to rest, I suppose there will be another attempt to "save the planet" that doesn't need saving.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:28 a.m.


    Good grief.

    Look, 2012 is the new officially hottest year on record for the United States. It's also a record-setting year in terms of the extremes of weather experienced.

    Australia, currently experiencing its summer season, is setting new records for heat and their weather service has had to add new colors to their weather maps to encompass the new extremes in temps they're seeing.

    Global warming science makes two predictions: 1) overall global temps will rise. 2) because there's more energy being pumped into global weather systems, weather events are more likely to be more powerful than average - including incidences of harsh winters in some places and prolonged droughts in others.

    Both predictions are now abundantly proven to be accurate, and global climate change is in fact happening faster than the "worst-case" scenarios offered by climate scientists just a decade ago.

    Please at least try to let well-documented scientific reality inform your decisions.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Climate change. Either it's happening in my back yard today, or it's fake.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    It needs to be pointed out that last summer we had warmer than normal temps in some areas and now we are seeing abnormal amounts of cold weather and snow in some areas! Does this inconsistency shake your belief in man made global warming? It does mine, because seeing is more believable than what Al Gore and others wrote in a book or published in a film for massive profits! Follow the money and you will discover the root of any cause!

  • freedom in 2017 paradise, UT
    Feb. 8, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    The world shuts down because the NE gets snow. Only northeasterners think that the universe revolves around them and that anyone really cares. Let's cover every snowfall in the US.