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  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Feb. 8, 2013 9:03 p.m.

    GDP's negative growth in the last quarter is generally being attributed to the fiscal cliff fight, lower defense spending, and growing concern in the private sector over the impact of the sequestration that was originally supposed to take effect with the New Year, but was postponed to March 1.

    Given the increasing indicators that Congress will not stop sequestration, I expect continued contraction in this quarter as the ripple effects of Congressional inaction spread through those parts of the country where the local economy is impacted by military bases or production facilities. Economic growth has been positive, but anemic coming out of the recession. It won't take much for the full effects of sequestration to arrest its improvement.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 8, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    VST, I agree with part of what you say and disagree with other parts. The first two years had very consistant gdp growth probably because of the stimulus. As the stimulus went away so did smooth growth..btw that's very Hayekish..stimuls works in the short run but if continued contributes to a dangerous misallocation of resources (not bad for a socialist). I agree we need to see growth consistently at 3% or better to get out of the doldrums..but I wouldn't bet on it for at least another couple of years. I also wouldn't bet that we sink into another recession. Not enough room to explain but I think this is just the kind of recovery we're stuck with given the circumstances of our economy and the world economy, and it's a darn site better than what would have happened if we had gone the austerity route of Europe.

    Job growth realted..but really a whole different animal.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 8, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    VST..steadily was accurate through 2011 then the stimulus wore off and more true market forces took over. Still under Obama the GDP growth rate has gone from -3.51% to a + 3.1 with dips occurring between a high in 2011 of 3.02% and a high in the third quarter of 2012 of +3.1%..current -0.1% noted. So Irony Guys use of the word steadily may not be completely accurate hardly taints the accuracy of his insinuation that Obama has greatly improved GDP growth. In fact the highest level of GDP growth Bush ever obtained was +3.48 and that was in the middle of a bubble.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:59 p.m.


    Senator Orrin Hatch has been in office for over 30 years.

    He has voted to raise the debt ceiling...x16 times.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    This letter can be summarized by this:

    "Wah wah! My guy, Mitt Romney lost! Wah wah!"

    Repubs, more sour grapes and complaining ain't gonna help you win in 2016.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    Reid, the guy who obstructed the house fiscal cliff plan from being debated or voted on in the senate, from August through December, and then claimed the house hadn't acted on the fiscal cliff.

    There is a man you can trust? Not!

    The mistake the liberals make, I am talking about the masses, is that they think what is good for their personal finances short term must be good for the national economy long term. This is simply not true.

    Nor is the corollary, that is currently popular among liberals, that policies that are bad for the rich are good for the country.

    Can't you think beyond your jealousy and hate? I suppose not.

    Let me put it in terms you can understand.

    Yes you have your cake today, but "The cake is a lie!"

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    What evidence does this letter writer have to support his ridiculous claims? And the right has the nerve to accuse is of being ill-informed? Yikes!

    No wonder why the GOP is becoming irrelevant in politics

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Silly Pagan, everyone knows the debt only became a problem January 20, 2009.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    100 percent fact free letter. Since Obama took office, the economy has steadily improved, the annual deficits have steadily dropped, the government has shrunk, and my investments have doubled in value. Beats the heck out of Bushworld.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 7, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    All of the yearly changes under Obama are well below the 7 percent average annual increase under Bush prior to fiscal 2009. And in that year, 2009, for we assign most of the increase to Bush — the rise amounted to a staggering 17.9 percent.

    We'll end by reminding readers revenues are also low by historical standards. For fiscal 2009 and 2010, receipts were just 15.1 percent of GDP, and last year they inched up to 15.4 percent. They haven’t been that low since 1950. And prior to 2009, the average since the end of World War II was 17.8 percent.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    Interesting that the Des News took down the George Will editorial. It was up this morning for comment. Where did it go?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 7, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    I still think Senaotr Reid saying Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes for 10 years - and watching Mitt's reaction, was like getting catching someone with their hand in the cookie jar, or flipping the light on when you've got pants down.

    The burden of proof was on Mitt -
    he never denied it, never produced evidence to the contrary, and chose to quickly silence the matter and hope people would forget it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Regan tripled the national debt.

    W. Bush doubled the national debt.

    Obama? Has done neither.

    Yes if Obama added ONE dollar to the national debt it would technically be the 'highest' debt in US history. By a dollar.

    Now, lets remember George W. Bush did not end his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan before he left office after x8 years. He didn't even budget them. So, that left not one, but two wars to be added to the national debt after George W. Bush left office.

    Who was next?

    Regan raised the debt ceiling x18 times.

    George W. Bush, x7 times.

    Obama? x4 times.

    There is plenty of evidence that people are attacking Obama about the rhetoric they were fed...

    instead of the facts of the matter.

    If I was concerned about debt, why would I vote Republican...

    when the Republican party has raised the debt more than any other party?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Funny, I heard the exact same rant yesterday on Hannity.

    So either Mr. Jones is Hannity or he is merely regurgitating the nonsense he heard yesterday. Nice job.

    All I know, is that if Mr. Jones is as smart as he pretends to be, then I say elect him as President. Place him in the White House. I'm sure he'll fix our economy, cause world peace, make us all millionaires, and cure cancer in just his first term!

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    My goodness. So based on your presumed diet of Fox News, you know more about the budget negotiations than the Senate Majority Leader.
    Also, the stimulus did create jobs. Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    What radio stations does this writer listen to?

    I'll bet I know . . . .

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 7, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Using right wing talking points to counter the supposed left-wing talking points.

    In related news --
    I see the FoxNews has recently canned [un-Friended] Sarah Palin and Dick Morris from their Fox and Friends.
    Could it be that FoxNews is suffering with serious credibilty issues?

    BTW - God bless you Senator/Brother Reid.
    [still the highest ranking American Mormon.]

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Excellent points Mr. Jones. But don't expect any answers from Democrats, all they will do is attack YOU for asking the questions as per the comments above.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    I sometimes wonder if among Republicans there aren’t other, deeper impulses underlying what appears superficially as blatant delusion for the uncompromising obstructionist thinking that so limits the efficacy of our public discourse and our government

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    This 'he said, she said' stuff really isn't getting the job done, is it?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    So, Gordon, is it possible that you know more about the negotiations in Washington than someone who is in the middle of it. Yes, he's partisan, but probably no more than you are. And to accuse President Obama of not caring about the deficit is inaccurate. He wants to raise taxes to help solve the problem. He also realizes that slashing spending, particularly on Medicare, Social Security, and aid to the poor, would have serious economic consequences. This is not an easy problem to solve, and Republicans are not helping at all with their silly devotion to Grover Norquist (in spite of the fact that most of their constituents want to see taxes on the wealthy increase). So, who's out of touch?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Right wing talking points attacking left wing talking points. Can anyone say irony?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    The stimulus has not had a negative impact on job creation, it in fact created numerous jobs.

  • Bergbub Midway, UT
    Feb. 7, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Wow - what a bunch of right-wing talking points. In fact, it reminds me of watching Fox News. Nothing in this letter is based on fact. Where do I start - Boehner walked away, the stimulus saved us from a greater disaster (and should have been even larger), Republicans like Boehner and McConell are obstructionists bent on making our lives worse so they can blame it on Obama. They are the problem, not the solution.