Stalwart Sentinel"The method in place before Obama was to count
only those who had breeched the border by a quarter mile. Border patrol was
given discretion as to the one quarter mile measurement."
___________________People returned near the border had it's own
category before Obama. He changed it so it added in the returns with
deportation. His numbers were inflated. He told this to the Hispanic people in
Denver Colorado in April 2011.
We make it easier to come here legally, than any other Industrialized country.
Last year we let in 1.2 million on green cards, and 3.1 million on work visas.
(with 23 million Americans looking for full time work).The answer is
not to let more in, or to let the open border people set our quotas. We are
probably giving out to many legal green cards and visas right now in this
Re: "What IS wrong is people LYING . . . ."I couldn't
agree more.That's why I can no longer be active in the
political party I've registered in for 40 years -- the Democratic Party.Party hacks, pressure-group busybodies, and sophomoric, true-believing
activists enforce a rigid party "discipline" that simply requires one to
acquiesce in, accept, or even advance too many lies.I can support --
and have supported -- candidates whose views on various topics disagree with,
even oppose my own. But my non-negotiable political sine qua non -- honesty --
unfortunately disqualifies EVERY statewide or national politician from my own
Party. And too many from other parties, as well.That's not to
say there aren't good people out there in the Democrat Party. There are.
Plenty. But, unfortunately, very few run for statewide or national office.On the ballot I was recently provided, none, in fact, from my own Party.
"Buy them. Pure and simple.We've never maintained that any
conservative was without flaw -- that would be unChristian."Right.Is that why Bush tried to buy them off again in the 2000s?
Is that why you folks are clamoring for yet another war in the
Middle East against Iran? I guess NOT repeating mistakes isn't included in
your repentance. "What IS wrong is people LYING -- whether on
AM, FM, or some other media -- in wait to deceive, who call evil good, and good
evil."I agree, too many people are lying here. Death panels,
Obama born in Kenya, Bengazi was a huge coverup, Clinton got "sick"
because she didn't want to answer questions, Obama is gonna take away your
guns... All lies. Lies created, bred, and spewed from right wing media.It's pretty obvious that since your failed election that you folks have
looked outwardly for excuses for your failures rather than look inwardly. In order for the GOP to survive, you need to fix the problems in your
own party. Your tent, MUST enlarge. Otherwise, you will lose women, homosexuals,
minorities, and college educated folks for generations. Time for
repubs to reform!
@anti-liar:"This is the primary reason there must never be amnesty, in
any form, for those already in the country illegally."Yes, and
if amnesty is given we will see hordes more crossing our porous borders. Just
like what happened when Reagan (under Simpson-Mazzoli) gave amnesty to the 1.5
million in 1986. Now we have from 10 to 20 million illegals seeking the same
treatment. If these hordes get amnesty we will see double that amount also
wanting the same treatment... at which point we will be overrun with foreigners
and good-bye America as we once knew it.Here's hoping our
politicians are smart enough to see what will happen if they allow
amnesty/citizenship.* They can do it if they stick together and (1) don't
allow amnesty of any kind, (2) stop issuing visas to Hispanics (since they are
the main culprit in overstaying visas), and (3) set quotas so that people form
other countries besides Latin America can have a chance at life in America.*I say, if you come here illegally you don't get citizenship...
ever. You might not be deported but no citizenship.
Another “If it’s illegal, change the law to make it legal”
letter. And just who is this “most of us who want immigrants
in our country”?It’s not the working people who
can’t find a job.It’s not the college graduate who is
underbid for employment by the immigrant.It’s not the parents
and grandparents who have to support their unemployed kids. It’s not anyone who finds themselves at a disadvantage in the struggle
To "Open Minded Mormon" when you see headlines like "Controversial
Muslim cleric caught being smuggled into U.S. over Mexico border" from the
Daily Mail and "Radical Muslim imam captured at US-Mexico border" in the
Examiner."Hezbollah terror threat on U.S.-Mexico border is
real" AZ Capitol TimesThis is not about race or bigotry, this is
purely about US security and keeping the borders safe.What was
racist? Explain that.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTBut at the same time we also have
terrorists that are trying to come here to cause damage.Do you want
to open to borders to terrorists to pass into the US to detonate bombs at the
shopping malls where your kids are going to see movies and buy clothes?Do you want the government to give a terrorist a greencard because the
terrorist learned enough Spanish to sound "mexican"?========== Yes RedShirt, America already has "terrorists"
within our borders causing damage.They are already killing our children in
the malls, movie theaters and schools - just like you say.BUT, They are not hispanic, and they are not Middle Eastern.Terrorists are not sneaking around getting greecards speaking just enough
spanish to sound "mexican'.The Terrorist you are so afraid
of young, white, males, who play too many video games, and are paranoid
government hating Anti-Americans, packing AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles.BTW - Your comment also has a subtle but very distinct ring of bigoty
and racism to it.
Re: "What then, was Reagan trying to do when he amnestied them?"Buy them. Pure and simple.We've never maintained that
any conservative was without flaw -- that would be unChristian.But,
as we all know, the conservative political approach is to admit and mend flaws.
Liberals, on the other hand, deny, celebrate, even double down on them and offer
them up as virtues.And, it's certainly the liberals that are
currently wedded to destructive illegal alien vote-buying and open-borders,
Lets look at immigration and the need to secure our borders first.Yes there are people trying to sneak in here to work. But at the same time we
also have terrorists that are trying to come here to cause damage.Do
you want to open to borders to terrorists to pass into the US to detonate bombs
at the shopping malls where your kids are going to see movies and buy
clothes?Do you want the government to give a terrorist a greencard
because the terrorist learned enough Spanish to sound "mexican"?We don't know who we have here, and without doing something to push
them out, we will have to deal with ever growing problems.If they
want the immigrants to self deport, I have a simple idea. Put the able bodied
people that are on welfare on job details where they do the work that the
immigrants typically do. No work, no welfare. The same for the unemployed that
are beyond the 6 month mark. The employers would pay the government $1/hr
knowing for each temporary employee. That way the immigrants cannot compete
with the US surplus workers.
anti-liarSalt Lake City, UT@airnautYou are
dishonestly equating persons classified as "undesirable" because of
ethnicity or religion with people who are in fact undesirable because they
disrespect the law.11:54 a.m. Feb. 4, 2013========== Not necessarily - but there are many Utahns who are racist.Listen
to people talk about 'them' behind their backs at Walmart.Besides;It wasn't my side who label fellow human beings as
"undesirable'.The list of "undesirable" in Nazi
Germany:Liberals,Communists, immigrants [legal and
illegal],College professors, Non-Christians, the Homeless, terminally or mentally ill, poor, sick, needy, homosexuals, abortionists, ....ect.It wasn't my side who label human
beings as "undesirable'.I would have been included on that
list.Still am, only it's America - 2013.
"Obama has done everything within his power to make excuses and actually
impair immigration enforcement efforts.""The method in place
before Obama was to count only those who had breeched the border by a quarter
mile. Border patrol was given discretion as to the one quarter mile
measurement."Mutually exclusive - which is usually the result
when relying on shoddy journalism.
Excellent letter. A background check to keep out convicted felons, and then
open immigration, with a sensible pathway to citizenship. Immigrants are
a net plus economically. As for 'amnesty,' fine, call it amnesty.
That's just a label, and an unimportant one. People want to become part of
our great nation. If admitted, they will significantly add to our national
greatness. Let 'em in.
@The Real Maverick"I need further instruction from am radio on
what to do and what to believe..."Nice attempt at silencing and
discrediting through mockery, but the fact is that most Americans still have a
sense of right and wrong and don't actually need am radio to tell them what
to believe. And anyway, there is nothing wrong with am radio telling the truth.
What IS wrong is people LYING -- whether on AM, FM, or some other
media -- in wait to deceive, who call evil good, and good evil. And
by the way: some still believe that one should not sell his soul, or that of his
country, in order to "expand the base."@killpack"On the other hand, if people are going to freely come into this country,
only to make this country LESS libertarian by voting for authoritarians, I
don't think I am okay with that."And you are a libertarian
I can respect, since you are recognizing the essential connection between
immigration law and the preservation of liberty.@airnautYou are dishonestly equating persons classified as "undesirable"
because of ethnicity or religion with people who are in fact undesirable because
they disrespect the law.
@DarrelGOP argument on Immigration : "Why have boundaries? Bad
guys are just going to cross them anyway." ;)----Yes, Darrel -- which is why we need the "GUNS," if you please, of
earnest, uniform enforcement, both at the border and in the interior, and
meaningful penalty -- including significant fines, significant jail and prison
times, permanent confiscation of property, and then deportation. Word would
spread like wildfire that a crackdown is occurring, that the United States no
longer is being a pushover, that every single illegal-alien is SUBJECT to the
law, and to arrest, at any time, and in any place. You know what
would happen? All of a sudden, there would be an element of DETERRENCE, which
would discourage foreign nationals from illegally crossing the border in the
first place (or taking out visas with an intent to overstay), and an element of
ATTRITION, which would encourage those already in the country illegally to
return to their home countries and take their children with them. Currently these elements do not exist in this country, and especially in Utah,
certainly not with corrupt government at all levels explicitly assuring illegal
aliens that they basically have immunity at the law.
"They're contending mightily for the illegal alien vote. They want to
buy those votes with amnesty and an easy path to voting citizenship."Hmmm... Interesting.So the GOP has never tried to buy the
Latino vote? What then, was Reagan trying to do when he amnestied
them? Or when Bush tried to in the 2000s? It's amazing what
historical facts can do to a dogmatic argument.Here's the
thing, repubs, you folks lost... And have been losing for a long time. Your lack
of leadership and complete mismanagement in your own party is made manifest in
your inability to attract homosexual, the young, women, and minorities to vote
for you. You could expand your base but instead you seem entrenched
to not allow these folks into your tent. In fact, you seem more and more focused
on the old, white, male, evangelical vote. This isn't going to work!The Titanic is sinking and you folks seem content to go down with it
rather than make reforms and get real leadership.
Re: ". . . we want to make it easier to get here legally and harder to come
here illegally . . . improving border security so people don't come through
the "back door."That's not at all what liberals
want.They're contending mightily for the illegal alien vote.
They want to buy those votes with amnesty and an easy path to voting
citizenship.And, they want to keep that "back door" wide
open, so as to constantly replenish the supply of bought-off voters, as older
immigrants get smarter and realize that this liberal immigration scam merely
imports to America the problems they left behind in the "old country."
"Immigration: Make process easier, keep undesirables out"============That headline could have been seen in just about any
German newspaper from 1939.And we know what happened to the
'undesirables' who didn't make it out....
Actually, "Darrel" Obama just changed the way he "counts"
deportations.The method in place before Obama was to count only
those who had breeched the border by a quarter mile. Border patrol was given
discretion as to the one quarter mile measurement.After Obama took
office he told border agents to start "counting" all those they
encountered right at the border and were told to "go home".So now, when border agents see someone going over the wall or stepping over
the border they get "counted". Its different from when Bush was in
office.Check with a border patrol agent if you don't believe
"Obama has done everything within his power to make excuses and actually
impair immigration enforcement efforts."=================Actually, Obama has deported more in his first four years than Bush did
in his eight.
First of all Mr. Stephens; the 11 million figure you use in your article is
probably much higher. That is a number that was gathered back before 2006.The actual amount of illegal trespassers is probably more towards 25-30 mil.,
although we don't really know because amnesty advocates won't give us
a "count".Most of us are afraid that, even if a
"new" immigration policy were to be passed it would never get
enforced.Why would it?Obama has done everything within
his power to make excuses and actually impair immigration enforcement
efforts.Does anyone have any idea of how much health insurance ALONE
will cost the legal American taxpayers if 25 million go on Obamacare?Most, (if not all)"new" citizens would qualify for subsidies to pay
for their insurance.We can't afford that.Our OWN
citizens need the jobs.
GOP argument on Immigration : "Why have boundaries? Bad guys are just going
to cross them anyway." ;)
As a staunch libertarian, I find it offensive that corrupt governments
throughout the world can sit down and draw man-made boarders on a map, and use
that as a way to control who can go where. Basically, if you can get a lawyer
and pay a bribe, you are free to come and go as you pleas, and that is wrong. On
the other hand, if people are going to freely come into this country, only to
make this country LESS libertarian by voting for authoritarians, I don't
think I am okay with that.
Deport them all! Build a wall! Wait, we shouldn't do those
things?I'm so confused! I need further instruction from am
radio on what to do and what to believe...
It is not enough to just keep sex offenders and human and drug traffickers out.
The unity, integrity, stability, and well-being of the nation also depends on
allowing into the country only those who actually love the country, pledge
allegiance to its constitution, and embrace its values, such as respect for
one's fellow man, and for the rule of law. This is the primary reason
there must never be amnesty, in any form, for those already in the country
illegally. By their own, willful actions, they have clearly demonstrated their
contempt for this nation, its sovereignty, its laws and its people. Such a course also would be profoundly unfair -- to the billions around the
world who actually want to be Americans and who respectfully wait in line, to
those who already have entered this nation legally, and to the millions of
Americans who suffer in a wide variety of ways as a direct result of illegal
immigration. It also is unfair to give extreme preference to one
nationality or group, as happens now. Of necessity, there must be
controls, and limits. Immigration is not an inherent human right. Nor does the passage of time grant that right retroactively.